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TRUTH:  You are so right about the remaining poppers deciding to stay.  The positve comments and cheerleaders are out in full force replying to the analysis.  Nothing anybody says is going to change there minds, they are there to stay and have stated just that.  It is absolutely pointless to keep beating a dead horse over the issue.  We all must make our own choices what is best for ourself and our business.  Most of us were able to see the light and got out early and I'm glad we did.  The rest as they say will be history. 

Quote:I was referring to pointing this out on WP, although not exactly in those words. Of course, it was a deleted post and not available to paste here.

And tell me why we SHOULD care about the "Unity" banner. Inquiring minds AND lurkers want to know.

First mention of the word unity on TT by me see #5

http://community.tuliptools.com/index.ph...l#msg61272


Second mention of unity by me:

http://community.tuliptools.com/index.ph...l#msg62106


First mention today DB maybe you should reread it:

http://community.tuliptools.com/index.ph...l#msg62571


DB,

I also warned you in early may of something to do with this and Hibidder via PM. If you check your inbox DB I am sure those PM's are still there. If you want I can forward them to you.

In fact DB the word "unity" inregards to alternative selling is best suited for a new thread on TT. It goes far beyond what anyone could dream that Ray would do.




Truth

I don't understand all the unity things either - but if there is a thread to read up on what's going on, I would love to have the link to it... forewarned is forearmed and all that.

Quote:In fact DB the word "unity" in regards to alternative selling is best suited for a new thread on TT. It goes far beyond what anyone could dream that Ray would do.

A new thread sounds good 

Truth,

Remember, I was not part of WPSSU in any way, shape or form - nor had I any interest whatsoever in being a part at any time before, during or after the "blow up". I was totally out of the loop on that little drama. I think I may have checked their forum once, was underwhelmed and that was that. In my mind Brian was just an X-cheerleader who had some kind of falling out with Ray. I interpreted it as a "not enough room for two bullies in the same sandbox" syndrome. I know you have more in depth knowledge about Brian and what he's doing, but my beef is with Ray and his pathetic excuse for an auction site.

The word "unity" was totally buried in your first post, and furthermore it meant nothing, as you never bothered to highlight it or explain its significance to us or to WP. Apart from that, I don't recall seeing it, as it was on a completely different thread. Maybe you explained it there. You also refered to it in the second and third, "warning" us on THIS thread, but STILL never explained what the hell you were talking about, or why we should give a wombat poo poo, or how it relates to WP. And since I knew nothing about it, it meant nothing. Frankly, I've never seen such a banner, and I doubt if I did, I'd click on it -- if, in fact you ARE talking about a banner. Maybe you're talking about something else. We'd surely have no clue by your posts here.

With regards to HiBidder, I remember your email, and I remember mine back. You never really explained what the deal was with it, either. I indicated at that time that I had long since stopped working on my store there, as I just had no more interest in the site and found it as cliquey as WP (and there were other reasons, too). I also mentioned that I was simply going to let my items expire (after all, the site is free) and close. I think I may have logged in one time in May since your email, to deactivate my store. Your "warning" as you put it about HiBidder meant nothing to me, as you never bothered to tell me what I should be warned about, and furthermore, I was already emotionally uninvolved and had long since stopped caring about my presence there or the site in general.

Last time I looked, this thread was about WP. What "unity" has to do with WP has yet to be explained. If it does have something to do with WP, it should be explained on this thread. If it is something that requires another thread, this might be the time to create one.

I also find your attitude a bit "hoity-toity" and condescending. There are sellers here who were scarred by WP and they have every right to say what they want, express their feelings and be heard on this forum. I also welcome non-sympathizers. As far as I'm concerned, PS, User and whoever else who has graced us with their presence is also welcome to post. Whether or not they are "feeding" into Ray's little plan is for them to decide and act accordingly. This thread will continue as long as there is someone wanting to post on it. Period. With whatever sentiments they feel compelled to express.

WP is a dead horse. So what. So is Trigger, yet people still talk about him.

Edit: Do you have some inside wombat poo poo Unity info on Etsy or Ecrater? Since a good number of us have a presence on either one of those sites, it might be kind of you to share so we can all be enlighened.

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I never promised an 'earth-shattering revelation'.  I did however promise I would be posting NEW information, which I in turn did.  No it wasn't a new copy/paste from the WP boards, the latest ghost store accounting or any of the other sort of things many of you have been dwelling on for the past three months.  I consider those things irrelevant now, as do several of us.  It's beating a dead horse.

You asked me a point blank question about the SmartSell Pro and if Ray was deliberately scamming people.  I answered you point blank.  There is no need to flame me over answering a question YOU asked just because you may not have liked what i said.


You do not understand the "Unity" reference, nor do you want to because it doesn't pertain to the WP here and now.  So be it.  I will not waste my time or yours trying to explain why you SHOULD care.  I will leave you to your own devices on that one, even though I told you about this a while back and you passed on learning then.


We will just have to agree to disagree on our points of view at this point.  You still feel the need to assume the role of martyr leading the clueless poppers out of Wagglepop.  I on the other hand realize the remaining sellers are there by choice not thru ignorance as so many of us started out.  They have chosen to stay.  Nothing you say or do will change there minds.   If Ray starts WP3 tomorrow, these same poppers will be there with bells on.

It is quite similar to the situation that many of us have found ourselves in here lately. Some of us have moved on, started successful online businesses and gone on with our lives.  Others have chosen to remain here and continue to fight a battle that in my opinion has long since ended.

So essentially now there is nothing left to say.


Truth
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Bolding mine, please reread.

Quote:I also find your attitude a bit "hoity-toity" and condescending.

DB,

That's pretty funny DB I was thinking the same thing about you but no problems I can disagree and move forward.

It's funny that you completely missed the info that I posted about Ray's selling on eBay and the info I reported about where those pictures were hosted. Instead you focused on the word 'unity'.

You can count on a new thread where the term 'unity' and how it effects the alternative to eBay sellers being started here on TT. I have planed it for quite a while now and when I am ready to post it I will, not because of your childish demands however.


I will leave you with that for now DB as I am not here to flame you as you are trying to flame me based on your poor information and failure to pay attention to what I have posted.


Truth

Quote:I also find your attitude a bit "hoity-toity" and condescending.

I was not referring to myself necessarily, but also with regards to other posters here who were slapped in the wrist by you. Really, Truth. Cut us some slack. You, who called yourself a "red and blue" Popper who "lived and breathed for WP." If any posters here think I'm "flaming" Truth, please step forward.

I did not miss the posts about Ray selling on eBay, nor about the picture hosting. Apparently there was some "hidden" message I was supposed to pay attention to, that I failed to understand because I could not decipher the deeper meaning of it all. Some of us need it spelled out in black and white. Does this have something to do with Brian? My pictures are hosted with Auctiva. Is there something clandestine about that site?

I don't think it "childish" of me to request a separate thread for the "unity" thing -- whatever that is, assuming it has nothing to do with Ray, WP or the sellers on WP. I wasn't even the first to suggest it. As far as I'm concerned, there is no "ebay alternative" and never will be. I didn't join WP thinking it was an eBay alternative, or would ever come close to being one. I joined thinking I might be able to do some extra business. It was the ethics of the owner and the cult attitude there that turned me away. As I have said on many occasions here, eBay is eBay. I can't see it having any competition on its playing field. Niche sites are great, but they are not eBay alternatives any more than Allegany Air is an alternative to United Airlines. My other store is with Ecrater, so if there's something I need to know about Ecrater, now's the time to tell me.

Ray is a boinktard and a scam artist. This is not news. He conned sellers with his Smart Sell Pro. Also not news. Where is the disagreement? To this day, I have yet to see a Unity banner or understand the significance should I see one, or what it has to do with Ray. By inference, not by any concrete (in my mind) information gleened through your posts, I'm getting the idea that it might be some sort of syndicate of sellers who sell to each other from different sites. I might be totaly off base -- this is just a guess. I noticed that many of the same cheerleaders on HB were selling on WP very soon after I opened a store there, which immediately made me uncomfortable about my presence there and caused me to cool on it rather quickly and turn my attention elsewhere. The site was free, so I left my store open for awhile, but stopped working it about a month after opening.

If any other members are clueless on this unity thing and the picture hosting and whatever other meaning there is to Ray's store on eBay, or why I should be shaking in my boots about it, please chime in. I was far removed from the Brian-Ray bruhaha and had no interest whatsoever in the PSSU thing. It just smelled fishy from the get-go.

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Quote:I also find your attitude a bit "hoity-toity" and condescending.

I was not referring to myself necessarily, but also with regards to other posters here who were slapped in the wrist by you. Really, Truth. Cut us some slack. You, who called yourself a "red and blue" Popper who "lived and breathed for WP." If any posters here think I'm "flaming" Truth, please step forward.

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Stepping Forward.....


Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not and I can prove it....Brian is the one who called himself a red and blue Popper who lived and breathed for WP....not Truth.

IF you are going to insist on continuing to post in this thread, at least get your facts and information correct.  You have consistently posted inaccurate and misleading information in this thread over the past few months.

Need an example?  You have gone on and on and on about Scott Bulger calling your items "junk".  I hate to break this to you DB, but you've been blaming the wrong person for this for last 8 months.  Don't believe me?  Ask Sherrand.  She's the one who pointed it out to me but said she hated to correct you.  Need proof of that?  Just pm me, I'll be glad to provide it.

Perhaps if you would slow down long enough to really READ what has been posted over the last 1090+ pages, you would have a little more understanding and not be quite so reactionary.

Need another example?  The "Unity Banner" you keep harping on was in reference to an actual banner ad Scoop had seen that said "Join the Unity".  She simply asked Truth if this site was one of the ones he was referring to.  It wasn't and he said so.  End of discussion.

Truth has said more than once the Unity information belonged in another thread and he would be posting information pertaining to this topic in said thread when the time came.  Again, end of that discussion.

Your references to Esty and eCRATER are irrelevant and once again, misleading.  Truth nor anyone else has ever inferred anything was wrong with either of these places.  Mentioning them is just a pathetic attempt at sarcasm.

Unfortunately, your WP Tunnel Vision has guided you down one path...martyrdom.  You're not Moses and this isn't the Red Sea.





PS:  I know you're not going to read this since I'm not your current target and I didn't highlight anything, but I felt the need to clarify a few things for the members and lurkers here and provide them with ACCURATE information.

DB has had a continuing pattern of inventing so-called facts for as long as we have known her.

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PS -- You are full of enigmas. You're proud of your sock puppet ID, which was taken from a site you claim to detest (and still have a presence, but haven't been what you claim for many months), and you steadfastly defend his Divine Boinktardness, a known liar, cheat, con artist, hypocrite, and loser, while you profess to truth, justice and the American way. You strive for honesty and integrity, yet raise your flag to rally around a man who has shown neither to at least 75% of his customers. And how can you claim your allegiance to WP an objective "business decision" when any 2-year-old can see that when 3/4 of any business's customer base runs in a panic out of a burning building, there is something terribly wrong with that picture -- unless you happen to be in the business of selling smoke alarms or flame-retardant underwear.

If WP is so great, has so much to offer, and is such a value-packed venue, why are you no longer a featured seller? Oh wait, I remember. Because you had so much business, you didn't want any more, which is why, I'm sure, you continue expanding to other venues (eight of them, so far) and spend your time participating in listing contests when you could be attending to all the buyers you don't have time for.  

Oh, and while we're talking about the "N" word, I'll never forget how you publically challenged my credentials and said I don't "sound like an educated person" to you. Shall we take a poll? Who on this thread views me as uneducated, provincial, naive and ignorant? And I seem to recall an uplifting, positive comment you made about "success being sweet revenge."



Edit: And does anybody here have a clue what User sells on WP, what his store names are, his ID or anything about the business he claims to be such a glorious testament to the virtues of WP's "revolutionary" and "dynamic" business model? Seems like every time I ask for substantive evidence so I can express my congratulations, he conveniently disappears.
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You'll never forget how I said that you "don't sound like an educated person"?  I'm 99.99% sure that I never said that.  I'll never forget how you have repeatedly pinned things on me that are 100% untrue.  I don't know what your level of education is, but what I question is your sanity.  You repeatedly fabricate things out of nowhere and attach them to me as if I said or did them, and then you lash out at me as if I've done some awful thing.  You twist the truth, exaggerate the truth, and invent things out of thin air.  If you did that to anyone else on this thread, they would not have the slightest shred of respect for you either.  Let's just take some of the other things in this post for example even though this is only one of probably over 100 posts where you've directly lied about me on this forum or on PSU:

You say that I'm proud of my sock puppet ID:  that is a lie, who are you to say how I feel about my ID?

You say that I claim to detest eBay:  that is a lie, I've never said that I detest eBay.  I still sell on eBay and make good money there.  I dislike their fee structure and feel that it would benefit eBay as well as sellers to lower their fees.

You say that I made the "success being sweet revenge" comment when I did not.  I recall another WP seller making such a post on the WP forum, but once again you've put words in my mouth that were never there.

I'm not a professional in the field of mental illness, so I don't know what your problem is, but something is very, very wrong with you.  I know that you've posted many lies since I know the truth about me, but for some reason your friends here seem to automatically believe everything that you type.  Here's Eclectica telling me to "wise up" when I never said what you say I said.  In all seriousness, maybe this is the early stages of Alzheimer's.  If that's the case, then I will try to have more compassion for you and just disregard anything that you say knowing that you can't help it.

Once again, I'm going to try to step away from this thread and not allow it darken my life any further.
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Anyway, the person who questioned DB's education and credentials that she'll "never forget" about and told herself and everyone here was me.....................was actually TT's Scoop.  This is far from an isolated incident.  DB routinely sees things that have nothing to do with me and attaches them to me in her mind.  Here's the section of the PSU thread where the education conversation took place:

http://www.powersellersunite.com/viewtopic.php?t=8571&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=credentials&&start=525

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