[quote author=FineThings4U link=topic=3775.msg68523#msg68523 date=1205273030]
Wasn't the other sock puppet's name Christine and not Christina?
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Spot on Fine. Good catch and please allow me to expand on it. The last name given previously was Romano. But now the initial used is P. Oh my gosh, did she marry Andrew??? :blinkie: :blinkie:
Quote from a WP forum post to verify this:
Quote:Â Christine Romano is a part-time CC rep that many of you have had contact with, and we have created several different ways for her to stay on top of membership CC needs and concerns.
Edited to add: The above quoted post on WP was made by Andrew Pittino: wagglepopCC2Â 25 Jul 2007 16:01
right after the "slip away into the night" departure of Karen Morrow.
[quote author=sneakymagenta link=topic=3775.msg68521#msg68521 date=1205267648]
head cheerleader ps responds to op Wrote:This is too much negativity for me to stomach so early in the morning. Ugh.
1) Listing here IS worth your time. Wagglepop is a great site.
2) Now that you know how the hit counter works, you can take that into consideration when looking at how many hits your items show. Also, the hit counter does reset each time an item is automatically relisted.
As a general statement, if you make good use of all of the tools that Wagglepop provides for you instead of complaining about them, you will do GREAT here.
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Lesson #1 on how to drive away sellers and negatively influence them to stick it out with WP.
Another quote from the same cheerleader:
Quote:As a general statement, if you make good use of all of the tools that Wagglepop provides for you instead of complaining about them, you will do GREAT here.
Lesson #2 Keep your mouth shut and just LIST, LIST LIST. The superior SEO will do the rest.
Just curious: When any of you were Poopers, did you ever try using the WP's wonderful "Bulk Lister" that P.S. and all the other disciples spam throughout the internet as being the best thing since sliced bread? I tried and gave up, because it took me just as long to "tweek" it for each of my listings than to list each item from scratch.
I noticed in the recent listing blitz, Ray was able to list an average of 200 items in his eBay store using eBay's Turbo Lister in about 3 minutes, 20 seconds.
As I recall, P.S. said it took A.F. two days to list his items on WP using its grand Bulk Lister. Assuming that claim could even be substantiated, according to my calculations, if he listed 8 hours a day, it took an average of 20 seconds to list an item as opposed to eBay's Turbo Lister which took a mere second per listing for Ray. I seriously doubt listing 19,200+ identical auto floor mats can be any more complicated than listing 488 individual mag ads.
I challenge P.S., Marcus or any of Ray's other disciples, alter-egos and suck puppets to come on this thread and defend their contention that WPs bulk lister is state-of-the-art, comparable software.
Mind if I sit here and wait for an answer with you DB? :couch:
Quote:WP's wonderful "Bulk Lister" ... I tried and gave up, because it took me just as long to "tweek" it for each of my listings than to list each item from scratch.
My experience with Excel based bulk listers (eBid's old bulklister) is the same. It's faster to list manually if the site has a "sell similar" feature than it is to use the bulklist spreadsheet. .csv based spreadsheet bulklisters (iOffer, LiveDeal, the late Amazon Auctions, ZenCart/osC's Easy Populate, etc) are much easier to use and faster than Excel based ones.
[quote author=Designers Bargains link=topic=3775.msg68546#msg68546 date=1205350771]
Seems somebody's been spending a lot of time circling the wagons for a grand cheerleader fest:
http://www.appscout.com/2008/03/wagglepo...y_work.php
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You guys really should check this thread. This is how one cheerleader casually dismissed the untimely demise of WP1, when the issue was brought up.
Quote:a bunch of sellers who apparently didn't have the logic to see that new things always have tweaks that need to be worked out- instead got p***ed and drove the man to shut up shop
I think someone who was around for Ray's eruption should go over and clue them in on how it REALLY happened.
Quote:a bunch of sellers who apparently didn't have the logic to see that new things always have tweaks that need to be worked out-
WP1 suffered from 2-5 minute page loads because Ray took Matt's moronic bad advice and used Microsoft Access as a database. The problem was hardly a "tweak that needed to be worked out" or a glitch--the only solution was to shut the site down and start over with a new software platform because the site Ray launched couldn't even handle 10,000 listings and no amount of "tweaking" would have fixed it. Sellers were right to be pissed after Ray had spent months promising far more and then didn't deliver. His excuses for the abrupt shutdown of "emotional distress", "trolls", "death threats", "sh.it in the mail" were just a cover for the extreme boinkup he made when he launched a site that would never have been able to grow beyond 10,000 listings due to the software platform he stupidly chose.
1. Store count down 10 today
2. Ray's recent losses on Ebay have prompted another whine session:
AndRay Wrote:wagglepopCC2Â 13 Mar 2008 18:38Â Â Â
Hello Wagglepop Members,
As many of you know (and as I alluded to in a previous "lunch" post), my meeting with ownership about the future direction of Wagglepop based on our past performance history was conducted earlier this past week.
I will be sponsoring a Pizza Lunch Meeting tomorrow (Friday 3/14) at 12 noon EST for open discussion with membership about this meeting and to discuss the ways we are preparing to proceed and evolve the site to reflect the realities acknowledged as a result of it.
I have been issued a direct deadline within an approximate six month timeframe to achieve new ownership participation goals. Should those goals not be achieved, we must then consider either adjusting participatory costs or realigning site services and structures to match participation.
In either case, after the fixed deadline we as a community and as a company will no longer have the fiscal subsidy from ownership to make up for monthly operating losses so we must all work harder than ever to fulfill the vision that made and continues to make Wagglepop possible.
Our dedicated long-term membership (and many of our newest members) have done an incredible job of creating and supporting an efficient and well grounded marketplace, but unfortunately those who would leave after 30-60-90 days (a.k.a the "hit and run" crowd) have outnumbered the dedicated core by over 15-to-1.
It is a shocking reality that makes many things more apparent to us than ever before regarding the entire vision of Wagglepop as designed and presented. Had everyone stayed that signed up, we would have near 5,000 Stores and about 3.5 million listings.
The more listings, the more buyers. The more buyers, the more sales - which in turn attracts more sellers, and the marketplace dynamic begins to grow and feed off the activity.
Today, we have about 280 Stores and 100,000 listings, with many of the "30-60-90" day crowd from the last eBay fee hike insipred influx dwindling daily.
If we are to become (or more rightly, stay) a smaller speciality site, then we will work to become the very best one there is, but if we are to even consider being something bigger than that, the online selling community has just six months left under ownership support to show that before large changes would need to be considered in earnest.
Wagglepop was designed for about 3,000 Stores, with projections of over 5,000 at this time in our lifespan. Revenue from just 280 "or so" has put a strain on the financial structures that built and support Wagglepop and severely limited not only our operational needs but more importantly our ability to market and advertise Wagglepop for growth to the point of paralysis.
I think the firm deadline is a "good thing", in that we will be better able to support Wagglepop as what it shows itself to us as a company to be - either an "up and coming" player in the online auction arena for direct competition with eBay, or rather a powerful feature-rich small specialty site to join the other existing small specialty sites.
Either one should prove itself to be an effective alternative for those that would like to use Wagglepop, and under a structure that ownership can continue to support within participatory revenues for many years to come.
I would like to thank ownership publicly for the additional timeline to achieve the goals I will discuss tomorrow that would support the original vision of what Wagglepop represents and can be to all that would benefit from it.
Had the online selling community as a whole embraced the original founding Wagglepop opportunity and concept, I think the results would have made a serious mark in the online auction world with many being quite surprised at what a dedicated support of a single alternative site backed by a dedicated ownership could achieve.
It seems not to be, though ownership has been incredibly patient and financially supportive of the notion (perhaps to a fault) and we now must act accordingly to be able to offer Wagglepop not as it would be, but as it is.
I think we have everything we need as a community to support what we feel strongly is the most powerful feature-laden alternative auction site there is online once we come to that crossroad in six months and have a final path chosen that determines our ultimate destiny together.
I will have the official thread open Friday at 12 noon for announcements and then membership discussion.
Andrew P.
WP
Andrew's title is Vice President:
seller Wrote:Does this mean that RAY is no longer an owner of Wagglepop?
AndRay Wrote:Ownership is unchanged since the inception of Wagglepop with myself as the lone addition serving as Vice President within the corporate structure since March 15, 2006.
AP
New seller's response to the monthly give us money whine memo:
new seller Wrote:I was just a little intimidated by this post. I have a full-time job and have been working every evening and most of the weekends trying to build up a store. ......When you don't have a clue what you are doing, everything takes longer :-)
While I totally understand that revenues have to come from somewhere to support the "machinery" of an online auction site, I am now fearful that I am "spinning my wheels". I have such faith in Wagglepop, and I am personally willing to wait for the buyers to discover us. I just don't want to feel that, while I am building and waiting, Wagglepop ownership is waffling.
I am going back to listing now.....but I'm not as excited about it as I was before
AndRay Wrote:Wagglepop exists for one reason and one reason only - to help online buyers and sellers make a better experience built on fairness and trust.
I don't think it is appropriate to characterize ownership as "waffling" after they have invested tens of thousands of dollars of their own money to build Wagglepop then additional tens of thousands of dollars to operate at a loss for 22 consecutive months.
That kind of support and dedication to others on the part of ownership I find personally to be highly commendable and should be applauded if anything.
Their dedication, in fiscal terms, has gone unrewarded to say the least and I think a simple directive from ownership to demand the site start reflecting participation is both fair and long overdue.
The money available to help support Wagglepop through our infancy into self reliance simply cannot exist as a "bottomless pit", particularly in the face of participation at less than 10% of projections, with over $50,000 in delinquent accounts in collection.
As a company we have waited and waited and waited for the influx of dedicated sellers that never seems to come, or comes and never pays or lasts.
That needs to be addressed for the good of all dedicated membership.
AP
