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Listings fell by 1,200
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The listing count isn't the only number that has fallen recently:
site:wagglepop.com Wrote:Results 1 - 10 of about 69,400 from wagglepop.com
The number of WP site pages indexed in google (i.e. site
ite.com) has fallen sharply recently - from approximately 100,000 to 69,000. Compare that number to sites with fewer listings which have more pages indexed in Google like Plunderhere (103,000 indexed pages) , HiBidder (106,000 indexed pages), Auctionquests (215,000 indexed pages), Tazbar (355,000 indexed pages), and Webidz (394,000 indexed pages).
Yahoo comparisons (number of indexed site pages, i.e. search for site
ite.com): Plunderhere (37,843), Wagglepop (91,009), HiBidder (255,937), Auctionquests (427,719), Webidz (493,024), Tazbar (886,722)
Google (number of pages on the web referencing the site name, i.e. search for 'sitename'): HiBidder (126,000), Wagglepop (167,000), Tazbar (312,000), Plunderhere (387,000), Webidz (423,000), Auctionquests (429,000)
For some reason everytime I see the word "dynamic " I throw up in my mouth a little bit!
So weird.
AndRay Wrote:Showcase Stores have maximum "exposure", followed by Featured, followed by Basic.
Increasing the exposure of Basic stores (relative to Showcase and Featured) would be unfair to subscribers at those increased levels and negate the advantage of upgrading.
We put quite a bit of time and research into figuring out how to give buyers access to all Stores, but giving Showcase and Featured increased exposure as appropriate under those increased subscription costs.
WP put time and money into determining the placement of basic, featured, and showcase stores on the stores page?
 The placement of the 3 store levels is the same on every RScript site.
AndRay Wrote:WP Members,
We attract over 70,000 unique visitors monthly, on average. Our high in one month was in excess of 250,000 uniques.
In excess of 75% of all keyword searches by those visitors historically show zero results.
Wagglepop as originially envisioned would have thrived if only the online selling community had populated the site if even only near fully. No sense in advertising the site without the items and products listed that reflect a true diverse marketplace.
Rather, site population reflects a smaller specialty site, and that is exactly what the restructure will support.
To think what might have been.
Whine whine whine.ÂÂ
already :asshat2:ÂÂ
To think what might have been if Ray wasn't a
and hadn't screwed it all up.
AndRay Wrote:Asskisser777,
As always, your interpretation is spot on.
In my estimation, we built a pretty darned good site with a fabulous collection of effective and exciting features with a very high standard of performance, and made it available through an extraordinarily low cost of participation - and subsidized that resulting revenue shortfall for two full years to give the online selling community every opportunity to build a site that was "all their own" and a true eBay alternative.
That opportunity to build a large volume eBay alternative was basically eschewed for another alternative - staying put at eBay. We waited as long as we could for that to change, but must recognize and acknowledge now that "institutionalized" dynamic is likely to continue.
Life is full of choices as we all know, and that is simply the one the larger online selling community has made. I am quite sure it will never been fully appreciated exactly how far we were willing to go as a company to be a part of real change in the OAI - and reasonably sure we will the last company to try.
Without the the online selling community's full and dedicated participation, I cannot imagine any scenario under which another company would commit in ways similar to as we have with Wagglepop.
I believe deeply we were positioned and constructed near perfectly to be the lynchpin of a true "revolution", but that is a vision and destiny that will be left unfullfilled as we restructure to honor the commitment and continued success of our small but dedicated seller base so that we may better serve their interests, the interests of our buyers and ensure our own ability to continue to offer Wagglepop to those that would use it.
Whine, whine, whine some more why don't you. :
wrong, wrong, wrong Wrote:That opportunity to build a large volume eBay alternative was basically eschewed for another alternative - staying put at eBay.
Wrong boinktardo. Sellers haven't stayed put at eBay. The opportunity to build WP was eschewed in favor of moving to Amazon, websites, and anywhere but WP. Sellers are less reliant on eBay today than they were 2 years ago.
edit- I stand corrected. One seller did decide to stay put at eBay. Go look in the mirror Ray and wave to printed442 - one of only two sellers (Pompous Jay of PeSA being the other) who hasn't diversified
It absolutely amazes me how Ray is still spouting the same garbage he started with 2 years ago. Out of 7,000 believers, only a couple hundred were trustworthy and could be in it for the long haul? How long is that long haul? Long for me is 90 days, and by then I had better be getting some serious cash in the bank. Long for most sellers is only a couple weeks, so I give a lot more time than most.
"Life is full of choices as we all know, and that is simply the one the larger online selling community has made. I am quite sure it will never been fully appreciated exactly how far we were willing to go as a company to be a part of real change in the OAI - and reasonably sure we will the last company to try.
Without the the online selling community's full and dedicated participation, I cannot imagine any scenario under which another company would commit in ways similar to as we have with Wagglepop."
What kind of OAI God does he think he is now? No other company will try? Please, eBid blew WP out of the water at it's 2 year mark, IOffer is great for many sellers, and Overstock has less than 20,000 auctions, yet has at least 10 million more visitors to the site than WP ever had. You have Buy.com for electronics and general merchandise, Alibris, AbeBooks and others for media sellers, Ubid for nearly anything, Liquidation.com for the wholesale bulk seller, Etsy for handcrafters, Ruby Lane and Tias for antiques, but Wagglepop will be the last company to try? Even more, Google is revolutionizing the entire ecommerce industry daily. Wagglepop will likely be the last boinktardist revolution among alternative auctions. Ray will be the last idiot who thinks that sellers will pay $10 a month for zero sales... but be part of a great community of powerlisters. Ray is the last living total imbecile in the OAI world. Others may be close, Mo, Rich, Alex, but he is just an absolute freakin moron. Maybe I am being too hard on morons, he's just a vegetable-in-training. There is nothing "DYNAMIC" about a site that can't keep enough buyers floating through it to maintain it's seller retention rate above 4%. There is nothing "REVOLUTIONARY" about a neuro-psychotically challenged vegetable-in-training with MPD, leading 200 sellers into the great spaceship that will come from the sky to rescue their Revolution.
The only one who has ever made even a respectable living off Wagglepop is Ray. He's made hundreds of thousands off his cult. He makes more than most powersellers profit on eBay. Now, he will make a whole lot more when he restructures. You never know, he may sell Mo the database so she can feel important again with thousands of members. That's what this industry needs, more boinktards working together for the common con.
After this past couple of weeks, I am just so disgusted with the disgust (does that make sense?) The last thing I needed to read was a new sermon from the divine pooper. The entire alternative auction community has destroyed itself. How on earth can you take a bunch of sellers, who are trained by eBay to compete with everyone else, to ever see the common evil and move toward the common good when they are running auction sites? Some of them are the same sellers who reported the competition to eBay for listing violations, and sellers trust them? Most don't even bother to write out their own terms of use and privacy policies, but sellers trust them?
I am really starting to believe that even the "friendly" auction site admins/owners are dirty. Even Ray started out friendly before he setup his retirement fund. So did Mo last June. S Ray was even kinda friendly until he began making 5 figures a month hosting 187 sites (PSU stat.) How many more OAI reject sites will spring up this year?
So, I guess this whole group of words I have put together is not to slam Ray again, but to tell eBay alternative owners as a whole to grow up, stop whining, stop brainwashing, stop bickering, and for God's sake, be honest with your sellers.
Don't be a Ray, or Mo, or Rich, or Alex, or anyone else you'd like to plug into that list. Want to be an alternative auction site owner? Be an honest auction site owner, and you'll be the true rare alternative.
Quote:We attract over 70,000 unique visitors monthly, on average. Our high in one month was in excess of 250,000 uniques.
Where is that "over 70,000 unique monthly visitors, on average" stat coming from? The latest stats from Ray's beloved Quantcast show 61,715 uniques and an all-time high of 73,000, not 250,000, uniques in late February. The last week in February was the only time the Quantcast monthly unique figure ever topped 70,000. Compete's current stats show 56,620 monthly uniques and an all-time high of 68.000, not 250,000, in late February. Alexa doesn't break out the number of monthly uniques so I know he didn't get those figures from there either.
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So, I guess this whole group of words I have put together is not to slam Ray again, but to tell eBay alternative owners as a whole to grow up, stop whining, stop brainwashing, stop bickering, and for God's sake, be honest with your sellers.
Don't be a Ray, or Mo, or Rich, or Alex, or anyone else you'd like to plug into that list. Want to be an alternative auction site owner?
Be an honest auction site owner, and you'll be the true rare alternative.
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Bolding mine:
Awesome postÂ
I feel exactly the same way and to this day there is yet to be one to prove themselves that way.
Let the Truth be Told
Like Xpopper, everytime I see a "rah-rah" from Asskisser777, I throw up in my mouth a little. I feel the same way when I see a documentary on the last days of Jonestown where the lambs are led to slaughter. I know it's not kosher to bash sellers, but in my mind Asskisser is not a seller. She is Ray's press secretary, BS administrator and apologist. It is quite obvious that is her principle duty, as I wouldn't be surprised if she spends more time at that than selling. Joined at Ray's hip makes her fair game. Everywhere she goes, she erects billboards for WP, and WP ONLY, although she claims to sell on 8 sites. I don't know how eBay lets her get away with it, but on her eBay "me" page are the words in about 100pt type 'ALL THINGS BLOG', which links to 'ALL THINGS WAGGLEPOP'Â -- a Bible's worth of WP propaganda, where you will get friendly tips on spamming for WP, WP buttons, links to all "participating" WP stores, a link to the site itself, and a good supply of miscellaneous WP cultÂ
carp.
An exerpt:
"For those who visit this blog and are not visiting the Wagglepop Community Boards... I would just like to tell you that you are missing out on some great "friends and family."
The members of Wagglepop actually CARE about each other. If one has been missing for awhile, we do our best to try and find out what might be keeping that person from the boards. If it is a computer technical issue, we pat your back and miss you while you are gone. If it is due to the death of a family member, we all express our sympathies to your family. If you are sick, we encourage you to get rest and come back when you can. If you are in the hospital, we step up to help you with your store functions. If you are on vacation, we send you fun wishes and love hearing about your trip when you get back.
So if you want to sell your items on a site where the members treat you like friends and family, then come on over to Wagglepop"
http://allthingwagglepop.blogspot.com/
Anyone care to add a few more morsels of enlightenment to her blog?
Quote:Even more, Google is revolutionizing the entire ecommerce industry daily.
Definitely, but Ray and many sellers haven't woke up to the fact that the eBay alternative they've been looking for already exists. It's called search (both free and paid). Buyers already realize it, many sellers realize it, even eBay realizes it, but the users of OAI forums (both auction site owners and many sellers) are largely oblivious to its existence.
The free traffic we receive from Google's organic search, Google Product Search, TheFind, Pronto, ShopWiki, and other search engines is several times more than the traffic we paid for at eBay.
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Ray Wrote:We will continue to wait, having faith that in the end sellers and buyers alike will finally have had enough of the mistreatment "over there" and are ready, in numbers, to support fully an ownership, management team, and staff here and ready to support them and whatever tools they need to succeed online.
A buyer "succeeds online" by finding what they want. After they get sick of eBay they are more likely to go
http://www.google.com/prdhp?hl=en&tab=wf or here
http://shopping.yahoo.com/ or here
http://shopping.com/ or even here
http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en than WP.ÂÂ
Search is the new venue Ray--it's the buyers' "eBay alternative".
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