[quote author=Alskling link=topic=3775.msg39200#msg39200 date=1167919021]
Bratpack:
Quote:Are we reading the same post? The poster started off by saying "I'm bad". Obviously they knew that they were doing something wrong. Next line- I clicked on one of the ads 3 times and the popper got all excited to see the number of clicks, blind trust that countermeasures are in place. Note the way he is talking about this seller he did this too. Last line- I am tempted to pm the seller so they can see if they are charged for the clicks. The poster did not say they contacted the seller or was their any hint of guilt in this posters statement. Infact, they sound like they were very proud of what they did, so proud in fact that they could not wait to get on the board and share what they did with all of you.
I have one question to ask and then I am going to leave this topic alone. Why spend so much time trying to belittle and hurt the sellers who choose to sell on WP? I can certainly understand a need to blow off some steam if you feel you have been done wrong by someone but the extent of this hatrid that many TT posters have is sickening. The lengths that some are going is unbelievable, and they are doing things to mess with peoples businesses.
I think someone here needs to pull a bunch of posts here (of which there are hundreds) regarding how we support the sellers, have no malice toward them, want them all to succeed, have their best interests at heart, want to warn them about the pitfalls and avoid the mistakes we made, have compassion for them, etc. etc. This Brat and many others have put in Poppers' heads that we sit up nights with nothing better to do than concoct some well-orchestrated, complicated plot to destroy the sellers on WP for our amusement. -- More of that we/they cult propaganda stuff.
This Brat needs to be set straight.
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A wise philosopher once said:
For those who don't believe, no explanation is enough.
For those who do believe, no explanation is necessary.
(This can apply to anything, from Santa Claus and Jesus to eBay's business practices, freedom of speech, or whether or not Wagglepop is a good venue).
There is no way to prove anything to Brat, or any of the other poppers. They must prove things to themselves.
None of us here are against Wagglepop (I can't speak for everyone, of course). What we are against is people getting ripped off, screwed, and otherwise ruined by small time auction sites. We've seen it happen many, many times. Not only at TulipTools, but also at OTWA, FAS, MooTalk, and countless other boards.
We have all said (over and over) on FAS, on OTWA, in the early pages of this very thread, that we WANT an alternative to eBay. We WANT someone to succeed. We WANT small guys to make it. To better the climate for sellers. To make a difference. We really, really do. Of this, I have no doubt.
Unfortunately, many of the small auction venues that pop up now and then are not the best choice, or are more dangerous than eBay itself.
I can't make people "unbelieve." They will make themselves "unbelieve" once they get screwed (the post they really needed answered gets deleted, their personal account balance gets posted in a public forum, Ray goes psycho again and melts down, they need to close their store for medical reasons and their ID & feedback all get canned, when they get billed for the month AFTER they're gone, etc., etc., etc.)
It's not my duty to make anyone unbelieve. If they want to throw money at a cause, so be it.
However, people who do research on places before they do business with them deserve the right to read material from EVERY side--and not just from the Pro side.
If the "believers" think TT is "out to get WP," they may want to read these two threads from OTWA, born long before TT existed:
Wagglepop thread which contains one of Ray's meltdowns and countless personal experiences, facts, and reactions:
http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=22635
The Wagglepop 1 Chronology:
http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=25225
Was OTWA out to get WP? Heck no. It's not personal. Forums are meant for information sharing, learning, and sharing experiences. That's all that is happening here--and all that happened over there.
