Poll: Who is to blame for sellers leaving Wagglepop en masse?

Alskling · 12-12-2006, 08:08 PM,

[quote author=princessmirandajo link=topic=3775.msg36544#msg36544 date=1165952732]
That's kind of scary, Aslsklidng (lol I forget what your name is on here).

If it is a cult, and a really good cult, it could be real bad. This is the internet after all.

Anyone on X-Pop Nation? I don't want to talk as freely on here as I have been... rather talk to y'all in private. Smile

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Have no fear, Princess. WE DO NOT BAN POSTS HERE! I know how hard it is to believe, after living under Ray's tyranny, but you are free to speak as you wish. We'd all love to hear from you.

Sweet Girl 70 · 12-12-2006, 08:12 PM,

From the TT archive, September 05, 2006, 01:51:35 AM message from Rho regarding the difference between the number on the home page of WP and the numbers from PSU

Quote:About WP Auction counts and that 100K Ray's promoting...I crunched it out tonight and will share the results here, too.

WP Stat's this evening:

All Auctions: 72579
Auctions: 22768
One Bid: 49812
BIN: 17361

Auctions 22768 + One Bid 49812 + BIN 17361 = Manual Addition of Stats 89941

Manual Addition 89941 - WP Server Count 72579 = Difference 17362

See that "difference"? It's the BIN being counted twice. The association/overlap is not between Auctions and One Bid (that's what we initially thought), but rather BIN and One Bid.

Once BIN is deducted from One Bid, and then added back in, you get the total that WP's software reflects.

One Bid 49812 - BIN 17361 = 32451 + Auctions 22768 = 55219 + BIN 17361 = 72580

The true number of One Bid is 32451. BIN is being counted twice. This is proven by deducting it from One Bid, and then adding it back instead of counting it twice. When BIN is added to the "All Auctions" count, the product is the inflated number that Ray promotes. No other formula produces and confirms both the server count and Ray's manual count.

WP's software count for "All Auctions" is accurate. Ray may convincingly call it "Store" inventory, but it's just bad math.

So there ya' have it.

Gonna bring some of the great information from earlier posts back to the forefront so new readers don't have to wade through it all. Chiquita will too.

princessmirandajo · 12-12-2006, 08:25 PM,

Hey I'm a member!

Banned and welcomed all in one day!! Toothy1

Sweet Girl 70 · 12-12-2006, 08:28 PM,

[quote author=regic link=topic=3775.msg23043#msg23043 date=1158106905]
WP's 3rd largest store is closing

doug Wrote:Actually, I looked at WP as a shopping mall rather than a hosting company. I rent space at a shopping mall because it draws traffic. It advertises that it exists. It offers services like security. I may put ads in the local newspaper that my shop is in the mall, but the mall operators have a GIANT BILLBOARD that entices people to go there for their shopping.

These are all things I thought I paid WP for. As that is not the case and I am derided for not knowing WP's unpublished business plan, this is my parting post. I spent a lot of time manually entering listings that could have been done quickly and easily, had a bulk lister been available at the outset (and I had installed Excel to make it work...). At one time I had the second largest number of listings in any WP store, so it's not like I wasn't trying. Even now I have the third largest number of store listings.

But as I have made my effort and WP seems reluctant to make theirs, I will be closing my store.

Good luck to you all!

Doug

and

doug Wrote:For now, my $9.95 is better spent to offset the $39.95 that renewing my Amazon subscription costs. Since I re-opened there last Friday, I've sold 4 times the dollar amount I've sold here since opening in late June.

Karen WP made an insulting comment to Doug and then deleted her own post. What follows are sellers' responses to her post:

another WP seller Wrote:Oh Man! If I was on the phone with customer service and someone said that to me, they would have just gotten an earful AND lost my business.

You talk of upside and show us nothing. You must stop these unprofessional comments and I cannot believe you are talking to your customers like that.

Maybe it's time to redesign my business plan if this is what I have to look forward to...

I try to be neutral and listen to both sides but that wallet comment was uncalled for and ridiculous. When did ego come up at all? He is making a decision blindly because you provide him no information on which to make a good decision on... then you insult him.

doug Wrote:Karen -

As an American, I'll ALLOW you to say your comments about my ego, but I will not agree with them or accept them graciously.

Your position about low risk with high potential return sounds good... but I've also listed on Yaho*, where cost is free!!!! It sounds good too, but it's performance isn't guaranteed by low cost, any more than on Wagglepop.

At such time as WP has a bulk lister and has buyer traffic from sources outside of its seller community, I will consider returning. If my ego will let me..

another seller, formerly a big WP cheerleader comments on Karen's comments:

Quote:I have beed sitting here watching this and am amazed! I have been extremely supportive of WP but this is ridiculous. The comments coming from CS are getting far from professional. This is an Auction site NOT a Web hosting site, otherwise it would be named as such so yes a seller CAN expect for this site to do its own advertising as well. I have helped numerous people and even kept my mouth shut on computer related issues where the answers given are obviously untrue, and there are some serious unattended to problems. But all that Chain Man is asking for is a time frame of an advertising schedule from WP. There is no huge secret to that. Your not giving away your secrets here! a simple "we will be advertising within 1 to 2 months " most likely would sufice. The anwers are getting so round about its really kind of sad. And there are ALOT of patient people here who are saying I'll just be patient"...but that WILL run out. I had to close my sotre due to no sales, and I did promote my own store. Eventually its business and people will realize that and not be so patient for answers.

At this point you have a cheap listing facility with no advertising....wheres the upside at this point??

Karen returns:

karen wp Wrote:Hello Members,

It seems I have made a comment that is being interpreted as an insult, and for that reason, I have removed it from this thread.

I was rather enjoying the "give and take" with chain_man, and have every respect in the world for his ideas and the way he expresses them, and thought that we could speak openly in business terms.

In retrospect, that may have been a mistake on my part, and for that I do sincerely apologize to anyone who may have been offended in any way.

We work hard to not speak in "stock answer" type tones, but perhaps we've set the bar just a bit too high beyond that marker.

We speak in the same passionate tones as our members do at times, but I am realizing now, that may not be a luxury we should avail ourselves of.

Once again, my sincerest apologies to anyone for whom my words were unwelcome or inappropriate.

Maybe it's time for me to get some rest

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This is a great exchange that took place on WP a few months back, as you can see history repeats itself over and over again on WP.

youroverheadbin · 12-12-2006, 08:36 PM,

Well low and behold, as soon as I reported a drop of one in the store count it slipped back up to 635. So I checked the page captures I've been collecting. On the last page, LONE STAR DECOR showed up. A seller registered since June 14/06 with one feedback (that you can't find) put up a brand new listing, A, singular new listing, just one. This store has shown up every once in a while with a singular listing, leaves, and shows up again. Note the listing/auction number for the new listing 139607. That is a very old number as new listings start with 3xxxxxx.

So consider that I might be wrong about it being a new listing (even though it has the new icon beside it). Maybe it was relisted. It then begs the question, why has this seller kept a store open since June (9.95 X 7 = $79.60) for an item 8.95 X 10. Legit?

I DON'T THINK SO!!!! :asshat2:

Would this perhaps be a store that Ray has 'borrowed'? I rest my case on this circumstantial evidence. Busted

princessmirandajo · 12-12-2006, 08:38 PM,

Chain Man is closing his store?

Sweet Girl 70 · 12-12-2006, 08:48 PM,

[quote author=princessmirandajo link=topic=3775.msg36552#msg36552 date=1165955890]
Chain Man is closing his store?
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Chainman has had numerous run "disagreements" with Karen. This was one I found while searching through the older stuff. The date on that posting was Sept 12.

Sweet Girl 70 · 12-12-2006, 08:50 PM,

Quote:RE: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2006, 02:11:41 PM »

Reply with quoteQuote
2/13/05 opening day: http://web.archive.org/we...http://www.wagglepop.com/
2/22/05 final day: http://web.archive.org/we...139/http://wagglepop.com/
2/24/05 "Closed. We will not be re-opening.": http://web.archive.org/we...834/http://wagglepop.com/

1/31/05 ecommerce-guide "Are You Ready for Wagglepop?": http://www.ecommerce-guid.../news/article.php/3466631
2/23/05 ecommerce-guide "Wagglepop CEO Sticks Fork in Site: It's Done" :
http://www.ecommerce-guid.../news/article.php/3485161

The opening day link still works and I think the others do too, you can click on STORES and see the list of stores that existed back then, would be interesting to see if the store names are the same as the 1 item stores :blinkie:

Alskling · 12-12-2006, 08:52 PM,

[quote author=princessmirandajo link=topic=3775.msg36552#msg36552 date=1165955890]
Chain Man is closing his store?
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Chain Man has been talking about closing his store for some time now. He alluded to it on PSU and asked where other sellers had set up shop with success. Someone discovered his post and put it here. Ray was lurking the TT boards and read it, I'm sure, and suddenly nothing more was heard from him -- until now. We all assumed Ray had somehow coddled him into staying somehow (because his departure would make a dramatic effect on the listing tote board), but we all knew he would sooner or later get fed up, as nothing was happening and it didn't appear that would change any time this century.

princessmirandajo · 12-12-2006, 08:53 PM,

[quote author=Sweet Girl 70 link=topic=3775.msg36554#msg36554 date=1165956649]

Quote:RE: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2006, 02:11:41 PM »

Reply with quoteQuote
2/13/05 opening day: http://web.archive.org/we...http://www.wagglepop.com/
2/22/05 final day: http://web.archive.org/we...139/http://wagglepop.com/
2/24/05 "Closed. We will not be re-opening.": http://web.archive.org/we...834/http://wagglepop.com/

1/31/05 ecommerce-guide "Are You Ready for Wagglepop?": http://www.ecommerce-guid.../news/article.php/3466631
2/23/05 ecommerce-guide "Wagglepop CEO Sticks Fork in Site: It's Done" :
http://www.ecommerce-guid.../news/article.php/3485161

The opening day link still works and I think the others do too, you can click on STORES and see the list of stores that existed back then, would be interesting to see if the store names are the same as the 1 item stores :blinkie:
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Sweet - they are gone.