Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens

[Sweet Girl 70]

[quote author=chiquita link=topic=3775.msg37152#msg37152 date=1166325217]
Sweet,
Would you prefer pee pee no no's or Platzki's newest Pee pee Uh Oh's"


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  For this bottom, a case of both!!! 

[chiquita]

[quote author=Sweet Girl 70 link=topic=3775.msg37153#msg37153 date=1166326521]
[quote author=chiquita link=topic=3775.msg37152#msg37152 date=1166325217]
Sweet,
Would you prefer pee pee no no's or Platzki's newest Pee pee Uh Oh's"


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  For this bottom, a case of both!!! 
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I can relate
:o

[FineThings4U]

Ray's awake.  The thread attacking princess is gone.

mileystuffhappens:

[let the truth be told]

WAGGLEFACT OF THE DAY

Your business will suffer!

This is a topic that has been touched on by some but I think this is the #1 reason why anyone should leave WP. I have said it a number of times in my posts and so have many other X-POPPERS. I need to list or work on another venue. Also I need to do some work on my website or even I have heard people going back to eBay to reopen there store.

Fact:

It isn’t so much the $9.95 a month with no return that has effected people. It is the time that has been lost and you can’t put a dollar amount on that for anyone. Most X-POPPERS businesses have suffered since joining WP. Most are former eBay sellers at some point in there lives. Some closed there stores on other venues to sell at WP because of the promise. The fact that you leave WP is a step in the right direction however consider the time you spent listing there (some more than others, we had 2200 listings up when we asked to be terminated). Could you have made more money on another site or if you stayed where you were?

Our answer is YES & YES again!

I have heard many people say the same thing that they could have done better if they just started there own website. I agree with that 100% but you need to be ready to do it. Some think they will never be able to do it. You are wrong if you feel that way. There are plenty of people here who are willing to help you along as well as TT, most info you can get from TT. Tuliptools has allowed this thread to continue for a long time now and it seems to be picking up steam in a big way. Almost a third of this thread is from the last 3 weeks.

Conclusion:

There have been several hundred stores on WP that have closed. I would say those people saw what was wrong with WP. I think those people will have a great 2007 just by making this choice. Ray’s site will implode around him because of the way he treats people and the scam he is trying to pull. If you haven’t opened a store there and our info has helped you reconsider thank an X-POPPER for keeping you from making a mistake.

To the ones who refuse to be saved right now. We will still be here to help your recovery when the site folds. Some of us are dedicated to keep the online sellers informed with the truth and facts about WP. I know I am.

chocolatesos wrote:

Truth wrote: "I truely believe we are going to have to start a class action suit against WP."

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How is any consumer (buyer/seller) damaged by WP's conduct?

Has WP breached its contract with sellers?

How has WP torted any seller?

Did WP ever agree that it could guarantee traffic/sales, to or on, its site?

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That WP is a "bad investment" for sellers is neither untrue, nor a cause of action.

If EBAY holds its fees at current levels, WP will fold quickly.
If EBAY hikes its fees, WP will get a bump up.
Either way, anybody who wastes their time at WP, probably
should have known better.

The wagglefact above only explains part of how WP damages a seller. The continued spamming through the form of SEO of listings that are no longer supposed to be there is fraud. We all know he has the abillity to remove all listings but he choses not to. See the blacked out item #'s that have been showing up recently from recent sales as shown when viewing feedback. GTC listings should not remain active if your store has been terminated. Further more if you are no longer registered wherever your former user ID shows up (feedback etc.) should also contain a phrase such as no longer registered. By chosing not to include that phrase it makes it seem that the site is all hunky dory. That also hurts the buyers and lures new sellers if they don't do there research.

chocolatesos,
It seems you have done your research and have avoided WP as a venue for you. Congrats to you! However when I check your profile it is a little more unclear as to if you were a seller on WP. If you wish for the other questions you have to be answered please contact me via PM.


let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network

[let the truth be told]

Store count = 616

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network

[eclectica]

Great Wagglefact Truth 

It seems to me many of the sellers there aren't considering time as an expense. It wasn't the $60.00 I handed over (I actually had enough sales to cover that), it was the ridiculous amount of time spent. Worth much more than $60.00 and not covered by my sales.

Glad you posted that again, hopefully it's read and digested by some Poppers still sitting on the fence!

[RiverRat]

[quote author=FineThings4U link=topic=3775.msg37145#msg37145 date=1166320436]

xxxxxearl   30 Oct 2006 21:32      



I read posts then curious as to what they are selling and there is no link ......

So whoever needs a a siggy please post here and i wll make them for you free and im sure terry or someone else will be along to help also.

After ths i dont wanna catch anyone posting on these boards without a siggy ...got that? lol j/k

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At least one of the poppers has figured out there's nobody at WP except other sellers!  LOL 

[Alskling]

YOHB --

Thanks for setting me straight on Okla Mama. Since we rarely mention names of the posters, I probably mistook one for the other. I was objecting to sending Christmas cards, just because I believe business and religion should be separate, like Church and State. It doesn't really offend me all that much, since there's nothing Christian about Christmas anyway. I do get perturbed by "business" people putting those dopey fish signs and "God Bless Yous" on all correspondence, etc. I don't need anybody's blessings, just good service.

YOHB  -- Again, your research and analysis of SCL is wonderful. I, too, found the feedback incredulous and did some research on him and came up with similar theories, albeit I had not gone as far as you did. There is no doubt he is buying his own charms between stores -- nothing illegal, but certainly unethical and deceptive -- he fits right in with KaRay WP-think.
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Now, on to this piece of jabber:

Hello Members,

Just a little something I'd like to add to this thread.

For others saying there are "no buyers" it's like saying the earth has a little water.

The Web is the most incredibly large-scale commerce and social "village" ever conceived, and one that allows just about anyone, anywhere to buy from and sell to people all around the world.

Selling online in general may be the single greatest open business dynamic in the history of commerce, with both the biggest upside and the lowest cost of entry.

For businesspeople who recognize and understand that, the opportunities are enormous.

The dynamic of "listing and waiting", and paying a venue huge costs of participation for exposure such as eBay is yesterday's 20th century ecommerce thinking.

Listing combined with smart marketing can be just as effective.

For the new century, the power is in the people 

Karen - WP Customer Care

For others saying there are "no buyers" it's like saying the earth has a little water.

Talk about ridiculous WTF analogies. "No buyers" means "no buyers" -- not for everybody, just WP sellers. If you're out in the middle of the Sahara Desert, there is no water.  There may be water someplace, but not for you. Boinktard! I wouldn't call that "opportunity."

The dynamic of "listing and waiting", and paying a venue huge costs of participation for exposure such as eBay is yesterday's 20th century ecommerce thinking.

There we go with "dynamic" again. This is one of KaRay's favorite words -- like most, it looks impressive but has no meaning here. Dynamic refers to change, so to follow it with "listing and waiting", shows an incorrect use of the word. All commerce is "listing and waiting", you idiot, unless you can somehow control the world and force peoples' hands. Sellers can't force a sale. They're always waiting. At least if your items are seen, the chances are better someone will come along who fancies your item. All of sales is a numbers game. Few sellers I know mind paying for exposure if they get results.

Listing combined with smart marketing can be just as effective.

As effective as what? And what do you mean by "smart marketing?" Is not paying for exposure when you get results "smart marketing?" This statement further supports my contention that WP has no intention of advertising -- period. It's not WP's job. If the sellers aren't getting action it's simply their fault due to ineffective marketing.

More blah, blah from Waggleland.

[Platzki]

Hello Members,

Just a little something I'd like to add to this thread.

For others saying there are "no buyers" it's like saying the earth has a little water.

The Web is the most incredibly large-scale commerce and social "village" ever conceived, and one that allows just about anyone, anywhere to buy from and sell to people all around the world.

Selling online in general may be the single greatest open business dynamic in the history of commerce, with both the biggest upside and the lowest cost of entry.

For businesspeople who recognize and understand that, the opportunities are enormous.

The dynamic of "listing and waiting", and paying a venue huge costs of participation for exposure such as eBay is yesterday's 20th century ecommerce thinking.

Listing combined with smart marketing can be just as effective.

For the new century, the power is in the people 

Karen - WP Customer Care

This would be a good place for a stick up!

[amy]

616 stores...even DRM/Lure over at Auctiva seems to be a little less enthusiastic these days about WP's prospects.