Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens

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[quote author=amy link=topic=3775.msg37189#msg37189 date=1166379181]
616 stores...even DRM/Lure over at Auctiva seems to be a little less enthusiastic these days about WP's prospects. 
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If DRM is starting to lose enthusiam, Ray better panic. The social "village" is shrinking, and like another poster said the village will now be without its biggest idiot.

[Alskling]

[quote author=amy link=topic=3775.msg37189#msg37189 date=1166379181]
616 stores...even DRM/Lure over at Auctiva seems to be a little less enthusiastic these days about WP's prospects. 
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Considering a good chunk of these are second, third or even fourth stores from the same seller (exchanging items for FB, e.g. SCL), and a few Raybil "ghost" stores, the actually "real" number of stores is probably closer to 400.
 

[Kaboing]

[quote author=amy link=topic=3775.msg37189#msg37189 date=1166379181]
616 stores...even DRM/Lure over at Auctiva seems to be a little less enthusiastic these days about WP's prospects. 
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Are the falling store counts the selling dynamics that Karen keeps talking about? 

[chiquita]

There have been many folks who have posted here about getting suspended, posts deleted, and no explanation.
This post from the archives of OTWA proves beyond a doubt that Ray did this all before during WP1, and continues to threaten and harass people currently.

Quote:
Hi all,
I just thought perhaps someone here could tell me how to contact Ray as I can no longer do so through Wagglepop for reasons expressed below.

I have been suspended from Wagglepop, Wagglepop Store, from Wagglepop Forums, and received a email from Wagglepop Law Enforcement huh ?.

I haven't a clue as to what it's all about or what the accusation or the charges are, no opportunity to face the accusations nor to have my day in court so to speak, there goes justice out the window again.

I have been on there 3 days befor launch, had 3 listings, 1 purchase, 1 positve feedback, I did have one encounter through an email and post here but we settled that in a amicable manner.

I've been on eBay since 2002, Pay Pal even longer, had a store until we received infamous email on the 12th of January at which time I closed store.

I have 68 positive feedbacks there, and you all know how strict the rules, and regulations are there, and I never encountered anything like this.

It is ludicrous, rediculous and without merit.

I at the least should have been contacted previous to this sort of action with an explanation of charges.

I only know they claim they have been tracking me for sometime, all of 2 weeks ? and if I don't decease IMMEDIATELY, their going to prosecute me.

Decease from what is my question ?, there making me appear to be some kind of criminal, I happen to be a law abiding individual , no criminal records, not laundering drug money through Wagglepop, loved my deceased wife of 37 years,still do, love my children, grandchildren, and my Yorkie, and people.

Now if those are the crimes they have been tracking, I stand as accused, and charged, GUILTY on all counts.

Please bear with me, I am going to present here all that I have been subjected today.

Please tell me what you would do ? and how can I contact Ray.

If I could have contacted him, would not have posted this here.

You be the judge.

If anyone here has any legal knowledge, could you please tell me if I have any legal recourse concerning this ?

I can't eat, do anything now I am so very, very upset about this whole matter, being threatened in such an underhanded manner, it's unbelievable.

Thank you for any help or advice in advance, it will be appreciate

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From: Wagglepop Information Services
Date: 02/20/05 14:16:05
To: GottaNickel
Subject: Law Enforcement


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Wagglepop Administration

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[Kaboing]

[quote author=Alskling link=topic=3775.msg37194#msg37194 date=1166380889]
[quote author=amy link=topic=3775.msg37189#msg37189 date=1166379181]
616 stores...even DRM/Lure over at Auctiva seems to be a little less enthusiastic these days about WP's prospects. 
[/quote]

Considering a good chunk of these are second, third or even fourth stores from the same seller (exchanging items for FB, e.g. SCL), and a few Raybil "ghost" stores, the actually "real" number of stores is probably closer to 400.
 
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I never understood why people would open up more stores on a site where their first store is barely making any sales.  :wtf:  I guess its that whole faith thing.

[Kaboing]

From: Wagglepop Information Services
Date: 02/20/05 14:16:05
To: GottaNickel
Subject: Law Enforcement


We have had law enforcement track your activities over quite a period of time, and we will be prosecuting you to the absolute fullest extent of the law unless you cease and desist IMMEDIATELY.

Wagglepop Administration

???? They had law enforcement track someone over a period of time? WP1 was operational for a few weeks.  Must have been a really short time

[Alskling]

[quote author=Kaboing link=topic=3775.msg37199#msg37199 date=1166382682]

From: Wagglepop Information Services
Date: 02/20/05 14:16:05
To: GottaNickel
Subject: Law Enforcement


We have had law enforcement track your activities over quite a period of time, and we will be prosecuting you to the absolute fullest extent of the law unless you cease and desist IMMEDIATELY.

Wagglepop Administration

???? They had law enforcement track someone over a period of time? WP1 was operational for a few weeks.  Must have been a really short time
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Let's see. How long does a "period" last? 3-5 days?

[thentavius]

I do get perturbed by "business" people putting those dopey fish signs and "God Bless Yous" on all correspondence, etc. I don't need anybody's blessings, just good service.

If I see a fish sign on a website, in a yellow pages ad, or in any other business material for a business--I cross them off my list. In the yellow pages, I draw and X through the ad. I've sent thousands of dollars of business to REAL businesses in lieu of "businesses" that want to sell me service and dogma.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

If you're a Christian bookstore, it wouldn't bother me if there were a fish on your flier. If it's an auction site, and air conditioning service, or a pizza parlor and it has a fish, cross, or any other idyllic emblem--I'll never spend a penny there, even if it's the only joint in town.

Give me good service. If you're a Christian, fine. Great. Don't give me a Christian fish symbol. Give me respect and good service and I will respect you.

They had law enforcement track someone over a period of time? WP1 was operational for a few weeks.  Must have been a really short time

Wagglepop 1 wasn't even open for a whole a week.

What on Earth did that guy above do, anyway? Why are they threatening him?

[FineThings4U]

Apparently in their dynamic minds, they tend to interpret things differently than most.  An example from The Help Center rules of posting:

"Freedom of speech" refers to the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America which states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The U.S. Constitution is a wonderful and empowering thing. However, in the course of daily life it is too many times confused with the matter which we address now, namely editorial license.

Is KaRay not the government of WP?  I don't think I, personally have ever confused the United State Constitution with editorial license.

In short, we believe in you.

However, if there are posts which are brought to the attention of Wagglepop which are in clear or repeated violation of the Board Participation Policy, those posts will be removed. It's not censorship. It's not about "free speech." It's about respecting the community and the terms of the User Agreement that all people must agree to to become members of Wagglepop

It is censorship.

Members who repeatedly or blatantly violate board policy may be subjection to board sanctions, suspension or even revocation of membership. Any distinction may be applied to any member without notice or warning, although the violation must be clear in nature. Any member who is prohibited by whatever means by Wagglepop from posting cannot use any method to circumvent that prohibition, regardless of means.

That poor man's violation obviously was not clear in nature.

It is also a violation of board policy to circumvent any individual policy with the intention of disrupting or discouraging the community

Discouraging the community  :wtf:  This is supposed to be a group of business people.  Get over yourselves  :peepants:

I agree with thentavius.  If a business sells religious products, I expect to see symbols of Christianity.  However, I am offended by the assumption that everyone in the world is a Christian.  That will bite you if you sell overseas.

[chiquita]

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