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Should thee Ethical Sell Through Tool Used by 250 PESA Members Be Allowed?
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08-01-2005, 07:47 PM,
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Should thee Ethical Sell Through Tool Used by 250 PESA Members Be Allowed?
There is a long thread on OTWA started by Toy Ranch which discusses the manipulation of a loophole in eBay's listing revision policy that is being used by 250 PESA members to gain an unfair competitive advantage over other sellers..
Below is a copy of one of my posts from the eBay Stores board about this tool:. Quote:Ethical 2004 has come up with an auction management tool called the "Sell Through Tool". The tool is being used by 250 members of PESA (and ethical has limited its use to just 250 sellers).
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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08-01-2005, 09:51 PM,
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Re: Should thee Ethical Sell Through Tool Used by 250 PESA Members Be Allowed?
*sob pinkslapped*
eBay apparently doesn't want the existence of this practice to become known to the "eBay masses". Quote:Recently we became aware that your eBay registered account was involved in the Bite Me eBay ;D
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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08-01-2005, 11:16 PM,
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Re: Should thee Ethical Sell Through Tool Used by 250 PESA Members Be Allowed?
I read about that somewhere and sent an inquiry for more information about it a few months ago and they didn't so much as respond to me. If I could use it I would so I see no reason to be upset that other people do it. When I have high dollar listings on eBay I usually do that manually myself (start one day, go to 3, 5, 7, 10 as needed).
I take advantage of the "ending first" traffic on Overstock and Yahoo by running only one day auctions so that I always have stuff ending. I need to start throwing in a few 10 days listings too though to take advantage of the featured, shopzilla, etc. that you don't get from one day auctions. |
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08-02-2005, 08:26 PM,
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Re: Should thee Ethical Sell Through Tool Used by 250 PESA Members Be Allowed?
This quote from an OTWA post by one of the sell through tools' developers:
Quote:Whether or not it is ethical is up to the individual I guess. It simply automates a process that anyone could perform manually. Is it fair to limit it to just 250 people? I don't know the answer to that. That number was chosen based on one seller ID per major category. If more than a few people used the tool in any single category, it would rapidly diminish the usefulness of the tool. I could give you many examples of things that I don't think are fair, but what's the point? Whether it is fair or not is really up to each person. The larger sellers on eBay get all sorts of perks. I just consider this one more, albeit one more that they pay dearly to use.
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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08-03-2005, 04:50 AM,
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Desperate eBay Attempts to Silence News of 250 PESA Members Use of Ethical Tool
eBay is obviously despearately trying to prevent knowledge of the loophole in its listing system from reaching its average user.
A thread started by Anita on the ebay stores board has now been removed...one day after eBay removed my thread from the ebay stores Board and removed 3 threads started by Emily on eBay's Sellers Central, Auction Listings, and Bidders boards. : Someone asked in yet another new thread started on the eBay stores board: Quote:"What is so dangerous about the topic?" my answer: Simple. A. If every seller started using that loophole eBay would suffer a large drop in listing fee revenues which eBay desperately wants to avoid. B. eBay is afraid to remove that loophole because by doing so it would upset its largest sellers who now benefit the most from it, and so it would like to keep "the masses" from learning about the loophole so it isn't forced to anger its "elite" by closing the loophole.
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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08-03-2005, 10:05 PM,
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eBay Employee Refers to Listing Duration Changes as Search Manipulation
The below is a reply from an ebay employee to seller Toy Ranch concerning his question about the practice used by some of eBay's largest sellers of manipulating listing durations to achieve higher placement in eBay search results. According to this eBay employee the automated changing of listing durations currently being done by 250 of eBay's largest sellers who are using Ethical's Sell Through Tool is in violation of eBay rules.
Quote:Claire*ebay told me the practice is a search manipulation and my thread was removed for encouraging sellers to violate eBay rules. This should be interesting...
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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08-04-2005, 12:12 AM,
(This post was last modified: 08-04-2005, 12:44 AM by bargainbloodhound.)
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Ethical Removes Sell Through Tool Listing From Its Web Site
umm, haven't they ever heard of google cache? : make that a double eye roll : :
the pre-this afternoon cache'd copy with the sell through tool listed: http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:htt...tools.com/ EDITED to add: This likely means eBay will allow these 250 sellers to continue to use the now unadvertised tool, while penalizing anyone else who tries to manipulate its listing system in a similar manner...kind of like its "look the other way" policy for keyword spamming and web site links violations by its largest sellers.
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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08-09-2005, 01:44 PM,
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eBay Bans Ethical Sell Through Tool
Quote: eBay Bans Developer from Marketing Auction Extender from AuctionBytes http://auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y05/m08/i09/s02
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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08-23-2005, 06:20 PM,
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eBay Allows It's Large Sellers To Violate Policy
Quote:"My name is Sarah XXXXXXXX and I am the senior policy manager for the Search and Browse Manipulation policies... http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jspa?t...1000052590 *waves to the 'person' who reportedly has exclusive rights to "do it" in the key categories* |
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08-23-2005, 07:00 PM,
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Re: Should thee Ethical Sell Through Tool Used by 250 PESA Members Be Allowed?
What a complete circus this whole thing has been.
Former ET employees vehemently defend a tool they've never been paid for--with a great deal of emotion and rigidity. eBay's employees, pinks, and customer service reps advise that the tool is a search manipulator and that it is not eBay legal. eBay spokespeople say the tool violates the spirit of the community, and possibly the terms of service--yet the tool is still in use. The 250 person limit is claimed to be (choose any of the following, depending upon who you talk to): --bogus; strictly a marketing technique to generate demand --based on server limitations at ET --based on server limitations at eBay --based on a one user per category concept (screwing all others who don't get to be the chosen one for their category" (possibly the worst of all) --an exclusive right, based on approvals and qualifications A guy who sells keys gets to be the exclusive seller in his category using the tool, thereby screwing all other people who sell keys. eBay demands that ET stop MARKETING the tool, but does not shut it down. Half of eBay's employees seem convinved it's a search engine manipulator. The other half is silent. The guys who got locked in in the beginning get to keep using it. Those who didn't, or don't know about it, can't even try to sign up now. and the band plays on...
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