Poll: Who is to blame for sellers leaving Wagglepop en masse?

Alskling · 12-31-2006, 01:13 AM,

BeenThere,

Since that incident with WP, I have been using personal email. Prior to that time, I didn't even keep customer's personal emails. I simply felt that was an invasion of privacy and I didn't want them to think I had a personal email address that could be used for spamming or other purposes. I always used the site forwarding system and kept everything totally professional and above board. I would only use a client's personal email address if THE CLIENT specifically requested that I do so.

With eBay, my emails were never spied upon. It never even occured to me that anyone at Admin would be so rule as to invade my or my client's privacy without our knowledge or consent. I can't even imagine why eBay would unless law enforcement were trying to track down a scamming operation or international terrorist. I was absolutely appalled when it happened on WP, and worse, when I brought it to the boards, all the cheerleaders seem to applaud it. I was outraged. In my mind it was the same as wire tapping, and for NO REASON WHATSOEVER! Despite how the TOS reads, I am convinced that such activity is unconstitutional without having tangible evidence that the email system is being used for criminal activity.

Since that time, I have kept emails basically for one purpose -- so I can email my clients and let them know where to find me, as I'm shopping around to open another store. I don't know if I'm prepared for my own site, but I've been looking a lot at eCrater and ShopPals for the past few months, weighing one against the other and which might work best for me.

RiverRat · (This post was last modified: 12-31-2006, 02:28 AM by RiverRat.)

FineThings4U Wrote:I had an account shut down because of a PM sent to a seller. It was asking about purchasing an item (yes, on WP) and I guess too many questions were asked. It's okay, though, because the items needed were purchased elsewhere from a very professional seller (Alskling).

No mention was made in the PM's (to other sellers) of any other website. All questions, in my opinion, were asked in a courteous and respectful manner. Some sellers just don't want to answer questions, I guess. Their loss.

I think the sellers are about as paranoid as the owner!

A friend of mine has been considering WP - despite what I have told him. Tard

I finally convinced him to at least register and check everything out first before signing up for a store. You know...get a "feel" for the community. Smile

He registered at both WP and the Mini Mall forum.
Now he has apparently been kicked out of the Mini Mall forum because he doesn't have a store...no notice or anything. Just went to log-in and it told him he was no longer a member. He contacted them and they told him as soon as he gave them his WP store name, they would get him back in. He explained he didn't have a store yet and he was just checking everything out before he opened a store in January.

No response and he still can't log in at the Mini Mall.

Needless to say, this type response (or lack thereof) and a few other things he saw on the boards has made him rethink going to WP. Toothy9

Their own paranoia of "infiltrators" may very well end up being the death of them. Sunny

Edited to add quote I was replying to. Smile

BeenThereDoneThat · 12-31-2006, 02:04 AM,

Hi RiverRat,

I can't say that I'm paranoid, I'm just using some common sense about moving my inventory. From the things that I have read in here and checking up on those things, I think it is in my best interest to bahave at WP, then quietly disappear when it's time for me to go. I'm sure that others on WP are doing the same.

If WP blows up before it's time for me to go, that is ok too, but it will make relisting on another site just a little more difficult for me. So, I'm trying to keep the transition as simple as possible.

I seldom visit the boards of any site and when I do, as in eBay, I ended up in being sent to eBay jail.. BOY! I have some stories about eBay that would curl your toes! I know one person who sells a seasonal product, and she, along with me, questioned the decisions of a pink, NOT liveworld, but an eBay.ca PINK. She ended up getting NARU for 3 months just as her season started and I was sent to eBay jail for more than a year. It almost destroyed her business for that season. So, who needs that crap. So, I stay away from the boards.

I don't need crap or don't need to get into pissing matches with site moderators, site owners or site users, so I stay away.

I just don't understand the venomous and vitrious comments on here concerning WP, and I'm a little confused by it all. Maybe I don't get *it* If you don't like a site or don't feel right about a site, just MOVE.. it's as simple as that. Most people are grownups and they can make their decisions, based on what they feel and what they know.

My decisions to leave WP were not based solely on the comments of this site, as I had my feelings of mistrust about WP before coming to this site, and it was confirmed here with my own verification over *there*, without the vitrious comments, which I set aside. I would have left there on my own, just like I left eBay behind. Others, who do not visit here, were more than likely going through the same feelings as I was, and they have left on their own.

So, TA! and good luck to all of you.

RiverRat · (This post was last modified: 12-31-2006, 02:25 AM by RiverRat.)

[quote author=BeenThereDoneThat link=topic=3775.msg38644#msg38644 date=1167530688]
Hi RiverRat,

I can't say that I'm paranoid, I'm just using some common sense about moving my inventory. From the things that I have read in here and checking up on those things, I think it is in my best interest to bahave at WP, then quietly disappear when it's time for me to go. I'm sure that others on WP are doing the same.

If WP blows up before it's time for me to go, that is ok too, but it will make relisting on another site just a little more difficult for me. So, I'm trying to keep the transition as simple as possible.

I seldom visit the boards of any site and when I do, as in eBay, I ended up in being sent to eBay jail.. BOY! I have some stories about eBay that would curl your toes! I know one person who sells a seasonal product, and she, along with me, questioned the decisions of a pink, NOT liveworld, but an eBay.ca PINK. She ended up getting NARU for 3 months just as her season started and I was sent to eBay jail for more than a year. It almost destroyed her business for that season. So, who needs that crap. So, I stay away from the boards.

I don't need crap or don't need to get into pissing matches with site moderators, site owners or site users, so I stay away.

I just don't understand the venomous and vitrious comments on here concerning WP, and I'm a little confused by it all. Maybe I don't get *it* If you don't like a site or don't feel right about a site, just MOVE.. it's as simple as that. Most people are grownups and they can make their decisions, based on what they feel and what they know.

My decisions to leave WP were not based solely on the comments of this site, as I had my feelings of mistrust about WP before coming to this site, and it was confirmed here with my own verification over *there*, without the vitrious comments, which I set aside. I would have left there on my own, just like I left eBay behind. Others, who do not visit here, were more than likely going through the same feelings as I was, and they have left on their own.

So, TA! and good luck to all of you.

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BTDT - I wasn't referring to you. I'm sorry if you took it that way! Sad

I was actually replying to FineThings4U's post. I should have quoted it, but forgot to before I hit reply and started typing. :oops:

I should add...We've seen several instances where WP sellers assumed innocent questions were just someone trying to cause trouble on WP and they ran off these legitimate potential buyers.

Edited because I can't fricken spell or type tonight! Argghhh!

Ladyrock · 12-31-2006, 02:36 AM,

[quote author=RiverRat link=topic=3775.msg38643#msg38643 date=1167528390]

FineThings4U Wrote:I had an account shut down because of a PM sent to a seller. It was asking about purchasing an item (yes, on WP) and I guess too many questions were asked. It's okay, though, because the items needed were purchased elsewhere from a very professional seller (Alskling).

No mention was made in the PM's (to other sellers) of any other website. All questions, in my opinion, were asked in a courteous and respectful manner. Some sellers just don't want to answer questions, I guess. Their loss.

I think the sellers are about as paranoid as the owner!

A friend of mine has been considering WP - despite what I have told him. Tard

I finally convinced him to at least register and check everything out first before signing up for a store. You know...get a "feel" for the community. Smile

He registered at both WP and the Mini Mall forum.
Now he has apparently been kicked out of the Mini Mall forum because he doesn't have a store...no notice or anything. Just went to log-in and it told him he was no longer a member. He contacted them and they told him as soon as he gave them his WP store name, they would get him back in. He explained he didn't have a store yet and he was just checking everything out before he opened a store in January.

No response and he still can't log in at the Mini Mall.

Needless to say, this type response (or lack thereof) and a few other things he saw on the boards has made him rethink going to WP. Toothy9

Their own paranoia of "infiltrators" may very well end up being the death of them. Sunny

Edited to add quote I was replying to. Smile

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I tried to login to WPMM as I was a member there. Now I can't seem to be able to. No notice or anything. I tried yesterday and today.

Alskling · 12-31-2006, 02:46 AM,

HEY GUYS, GUESS WHAT?

I was posting on the PSU site about the "improvements" WP was promising to the sellers like the guides sellers have to write, WaggleStuff, etc., and suddenly it appears I'm banned from PSU? Can't log in. Can't respond. Anybody have a clue why? I sure don't.

let the truth be told · 12-31-2006, 03:02 AM,

WAGGLEFACT OF THE DAY

Top 10 reasons why you should avoid wagglepop.

#10 Site owners info is nowhere to be found.

#9 Site failed once before, info on sellers from first site was to be destroyed but mysteriously site owner was able to spam sellers from WP1 about the start of WP2.

#8 Fuzzy listing counts (fudge).

#7 Im sorry but the coffee pot inside my PC doesnt seem to work.

#6 I cant see how any real online business person would have the time to attend the daily cheerleading practice let alone run there own business.

#5 We the people program sounds like the site is a dictatorship (top cheerleaders only no vote or paid staff for this)

#4 I cant see how buyers posting what they want to a forum will increase sales for any seller. Buyer beware if it is not there already move on to a site that has it already listed.

#3 Censorship of every aspect of the site.

#2 Dont even think of asking what the advertising plan is. The answer is delete. Same answer applies to any legitimate business question.

And the #1 reason to avoid WP is:

It is a CULT run by a crazy man with multiple personalities. Some days he is a women, some days he is a man but most days he is both.

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network

jojo-p · 12-31-2006, 03:08 AM,

What the heck is this???

I was reading the forums on WP, there is a thread about the store links being broken sometimes, and also the feedback link from someone's store landing page wasn't working consistently. I took a look at the broken feedback link - I have some knowledge of coding, and I thought I saw an error in the URL, so I changed the line a bit. I got an error message that included at the bottom "IP logged. Documented as # 67034001 for legal" ??? So I went to the WP home page, and again changed something in the URL (after the .com/ part) to some random characters. Again, the "legal" warning, and a new number. Is this a feature of rscript, or more paranoia? Icon_scratch

JoJo

RiverRat · 12-31-2006, 03:21 AM,

[quote author=Alskling link=topic=3775.msg38647#msg38647 date=1167533213]
HEY GUYS, GUESS WHAT?

I was posting on the PSU site about the "improvements" WP was promising to the sellers like the guides sellers have to write, WaggleStuff, etc., and suddenly it appears I'm banned from PSU? Can't log in. Can't respond. Anybody have a clue why? I sure don't.
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Alskling - I was just over there and from all appearances you are still a member. It's showing you as online. HTH

Alskling · 12-31-2006, 03:26 AM,

Hey Truth,
There actually was a potential seller who went to WP and asked for 10 reasons why he should become a seller. Go back on this thread and see mine.

Anyway, if I weren't so tired I could add to your list. Good job!!! Lurkers, PLEASE READ TRUTH'S POST!!!!
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Regarding my last post on TT, I finally got into PSU by re-enterring my ID and password, which I've never had to do before in however long I've been registered there -- (I was registered for many months before I actually posted) --- so no panic. Whew!