Poll: Who is to blame for sellers leaving Wagglepop en masse?

eclectica · 01-17-2007, 03:07 PM,

[quote author=Alskling link=topic=3775.msg40599#msg40599 date=1169035114]
[quote author=racedream link=topic=3775.msg40588#msg40588 date=1169007511]
[quote author=Sweet Girl 70 link=topic=3775.msg40587#msg40587 date=1169006603]
149,762 listings on WP according to homepage
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The listings are dropping daily. I have also noticed that the store count is down 5 stores in 24 hours. It has been fluctuating lately between 423 and 426. The store count now stands at 421.

I was browsing some handcrafted items earlier this evening. There are some extremely talented sellers at WP. I wish I could buy there because there are some beautiful things I would love to have.
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FYI:

I have been PM'd by a WP seller who was watching the PSU thread and is so fed up with Ray's Koolaidfest she could Icon_puke_l

She was further disgusted by Bud and her side kick's posts on PSU and the ribbing they gave me and claims she's not alone, but is, of course, keeping a low profile to avoid the radar until her listings are safely out of harm's way.

I agree with Sweet, there are some talented sellers and hopefully they will discover Etsy, where their wares will be appreciated and they might stand a chance at making some money.
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I suspect there are many people like this who prefer not to be vocal, but are paying close attention to what is being said - by both sides. We'll also never know how many would-be sellers found our thread or the one at PSU and decided to steer clear without ever asking a question or saying a word. Well done TTers, and WPers, hehe.

let the truth be told · 01-17-2007, 06:19 PM,

Quotes from PSU by DB

Quote:Nobody able to answer the quiz? I'll ask again.

Who wrote this?
"On some level, we were all just wanting to belong .. we thought we were part of a revolution."

I'm going to add another quote,

"Ultimately, the only eyes that need judge us that count are two: our own, and those of God. "

Quote:Still stumped? Here's a few more:

"What you are seeing is a person who is awash in frustration at not being a part of something worthy and productive."

"We've been so betrayed. We have been so terribly betrayed."

"To those .. Who have day after day, minute by minute done everything possible to destroy .. I have but a few words: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. If I live a hundred more years before I encounter such morally bankrupt miscreants again, it will be a day too soon."

"my confidence in what I believed about faith and humanity are shaken and shattered .. perhaps forever."

"we are wonderful, good people who want to make a positive change."

" (XXX) is my home. My passion, My breathng exisitence. My Blood flows red & blue I'm a Harcore (supporter) and Darn proud to say it."

Give up?

I know, I know!!!!!!!!

Answer: Ray Romeo

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network

yyna · 01-17-2007, 06:49 PM,

I have not been reading this as much as I was. So , if this has been beaten in to the ground someone could just tell me what post it was I can go back and read it. I need to reopen a store somewhere. I am thinking about ebay but sort of waiting to see what comes out of the conference this week. I have lots of books to sell, some crafts, and collectables. Would it be better to open a store at one of the book sites, and put my other stuff at a few other sites like etsy for my crafts. I was getting a few sells at ebay not a bunch but some. I need it to add income but not be sole income. I am skitish of free or cheap sites after wagglepop. When you want something you think of ebay , but fees are high. Any ideas.. thanks... oh what is the latest count at wagglepop. I was tring to go back and find a late post but did not see any yet.

eclectica · 01-17-2007, 07:12 PM,

[quote author=yyna link=topic=3775.msg40615#msg40615 date=1169059770]
I have not been reading this as much as I was. So , if this has been beaten in to the ground someone could just tell me what post it was I can go back and read it. I need to reopen a store somewhere. I am thinking about ebay but sort of waiting to see what comes out of the conference this week. I have lots of books to sell, some crafts, and collectables. Would it be better to open a store at one of the book sites, and put my other stuff at a few other sites like etsy for my crafts. I was getting a few sells at ebay not a bunch but some. I need it to add income but not be sole income. I am skitish of free or cheap sites after wagglepop. When you want something you think of ebay , but fees are high. Any ideas.. thanks... oh what is the latest count at wagglepop. I was tring to go back and find a late post but did not see any yet.

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Hi yyna ~ good to see you!

I'm not a book seller, but from what I've read here and elsewhere, Amazon is your best bet for that. Sounds like the sell through & ASP are higher there than eBay. Someone with more experience will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure.

I've also heard great things about Etsy and may try them later in the spring for my own jewelry.

Best wishes ~ hang in there!!

chiquita · 01-17-2007, 07:53 PM,

yyna, here is a link to the selling requirements on amazon
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/d...Id=1161234

etsy
http://www.etsy.com/how_selling_works.php

You might also consider an ecrater store for your collectibles/misc. items as well.
http://www.ecrater.com/ Free w/ no fees, a shopping cart, google and paypal payments

For books you might consider alibris
http://sellers.alibris.com/faq.cfm

IllnConfused · 01-17-2007, 10:11 PM,

[quote author=let the truth be told link=topic=3775.msg40609#msg40609 date=1169057963]
Quotes from PSU by DB

Quote:Nobody able to answer the quiz? I'll ask again.

Who wrote this?
"On some level, we were all just wanting to belong .. we thought we were part of a revolution."

I'm going to add another quote,

"Ultimately, the only eyes that need judge us that count are two: our own, and those of God. "

Quote:Still stumped? Here's a few more:

"What you are seeing is a person who is awash in frustration at not being a part of something worthy and productive."

"We've been so betrayed. We have been so terribly betrayed."

"To those .. Who have day after day, minute by minute done everything possible to destroy .. I have but a few words: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. If I live a hundred more years before I encounter such morally bankrupt miscreants again, it will be a day too soon."

"my confidence in what I believed about faith and humanity are shaken and shattered .. perhaps forever."

"we are wonderful, good people who want to make a positive change."

" (XXX) is my home. My passion, My breathng exisitence. My Blood flows red & blue I'm a Harcore (supporter) and Darn proud to say it."

Give up?

I know, I know!!!!!!!!

Answer: Ray Romeo

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network
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Truth,
Are you serious...Ray really said those things? I am especially curious about the last one. If so can you point me to where, I just gotta see this for myself.

Thanks,
Ill

Alskling · (This post was last modified: 01-17-2007, 10:20 PM by Alskling.)

[quote author=let the truth be told link=topic=3775.msg40609#msg40609 date=1169057963]
Quotes from PSU by DB

Quote:Nobody able to answer the quiz? I'll ask again.

Who wrote this?
"On some level, we were all just wanting to belong .. we thought we were part of a revolution."

I'm going to add another quote,

"Ultimately, the only eyes that need judge us that count are two: our own, and those of God. "

Quote:Still stumped? Here's a few more:

"What you are seeing is a person who is awash in frustration at not being a part of something worthy and productive."

"We've been so betrayed. We have been so terribly betrayed."

"To those .. Who have day after day, minute by minute done everything possible to destroy .. I have but a few words: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. If I live a hundred more years before I encounter such morally bankrupt miscreants again, it will be a day too soon."

"my confidence in what I believed about faith and humanity are shaken and shattered .. perhaps forever."

"we are wonderful, good people who want to make a positive change."

" (XXX) is my home. My passion, My breathng exisitence. My Blood flows red & blue I'm a Harcore (supporter) and Darn proud to say it."

Give up?

I know, I know!!!!!!!!

Answer: Ray Romeo

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network
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Well, Truth, most (the God and bankrupt miscreantes quotes, for example) are pure Ray -- the same guy who called eBay staff M*THER F*CKERS, B*STARDS, and lazy bums, whose cheerleaders label us low-lifes conducting a hate fest. One is Jim Jones (just prior to the mass suicide) and two from his son Stephan after the mass suicide. The last is obvious. Hard to tell who said what, right?

And how about this one. Look like something similar we've all seen on WP's home page?
"The man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes."

Or how about this one, "All of us owe at least friendliness to each other."

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Adolph Hitler and Jim Jones, respectively.

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I'll bet none of the following REAL BUSINESS PEOPLE came to mind: Meg Whitman, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Sam Walton, Stephen Jobs, or Warren Buffet.
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Ray is small time compared to the big guns in the cult world. The purpose of this exercise was to show that Ray and many of his most vocal proponents have an unheathy obsession with WP that goes beyond it being called any kind of business with normal, natural business relationships among its associates.

It is a free country. Cults, fraternal organizations, secret societies, fringe ideologies and similar entities have every protection under the law. The difference between WP and these others is that the others don't pretend to be something they are not. The most sinister part about WP, in my mind, is its pretense -- and that makes WP one big deception.

let the truth be told · 01-17-2007, 11:11 PM,

IllnConfused,

Just plug all those quotes into google and you will see who said what. Some are Ray originals and some are not but I believe Ray used all of those saying's at one time or another. Alskling please correct me if I am wrong. I know a few stem from the WP1 FAS threads and some are as of recently in the WP forums.

Alskling & riverrat,

The growth in sales on ebay for some people is no joke. I have seen this as well the past few weeks. A reason for my growth is on certain items I sell my competition is nolonger selling the same products or any products at all in some cases. That's fine by me however I don't believe they stopped selling due to the fee increase, it may just be they are reorganizing at this time.

I have also noticed that the new #1 store on WP based on listings is pulling listings. They used to have an ebay store but that has closed and now they are selling items on ebay at core only. makes no sense considering the prices will be affected by the fee increases at ebay (I have seen starting prices from this seller at $9.95 on ebay now).

A side note is that there were 2 big stores that closed on WP in the last 10 days. I know which ones they were and a few people have pm'ed me with the info as well. Does everyone know which ones closed? Hint one was mentioned in this thread and the little known one was the biggest sports card store on WP.

Store #2 based on listings continues to pull listings a little at a time perhaps to add them to another venue like amazon. I wish that store the best and hope they have found there niche on another venue.

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network

FineThings4U · 01-17-2007, 11:46 PM,

Quote:wagglepopCC1 16 Jan 2007 15:47

Hello Members,

After much preparation and consideration (including direct input from membership), we are happy to announce that the first scheduled expansion of Wagglepop into new locations will begin in beta format on Friday, 1/19/07.

Added to the pool of acceptable registrations as "buyer-only" areas are:

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Italy
Japan
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland

Selling on Wagglepop will continue to be restricted to the current areas: United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom.

Following a successful beta period, we expect full site integration and beta accounts in good standing will migrate automatically to full membership (as "buyer-only" by location) status.

Thank you for your support while we work to integrate the expansion as smoothly as possible

Karen - WP Customer Care

I think the natives must be getting restless. Opening up for new buyers, huh?

Quote:We are committed to a fair and balanced marketplace and there is only one area currently under consideration for addition to the list of allowed locations for selling.

The plans for selling locales in perpetuity will be existing (the US, the UK, Canada) or the existing and one additional locale.

Protection of the Wagglepop marketplace/seller dynamic is an absolute priority, and will continue to be.

The expansion focus, today and in the future, is virtually completely a "buyer driven" one

Karen - WP Customer Care

Just had to throw that in there for the dynamic verbage. Perptuity - bet that one had to be googled.

Quote:The migration away from beta membership to full membership refers only to the status of the "additional locations" expansion itself, should the beta period prove successful and of benefit

Karen - WP Customer Care

There we go, take the candy away from the baby.

Boo

chiquita · 01-17-2007, 11:47 PM,

[quote author=Alskling link=topic=3775.msg40599#msg40599 date=1169035114]
FYI:
I have been PM'd by a WP seller who was watching the PSU thread and is so fed up with Ray's Koolaidfest she could Icon_puke_l

She was further disgusted by Bud and her side kick's posts on PSU and the ribbing they gave me and claims she's not alone, but is, of course, keeping a low profile to avoid the radar until her listings are safely out of harm's way.
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I find it disturbing that there are people who are on WP that feel they have to go undercover just to remove their listings and close up shop. :blinkie:

I cannot think of any site where any seller has ever reported feeling like they have to undergo a covert operation just to leave. I can understand their hesitancy to post on the forum, but I have read too many stories from people who felt embarrassed, or confused from their close encounter with this site.

Not only do people appear to be hiding out from Ray, they also are very leery of the fanatic behavior exhibited by some sellers.

All I know is when I closed up shop on Ebay I didn't do it undercover, late at night, or have any reason to hide it.