Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens

[Alskling]

I'm with you, Platzski. I had decided to close in September for the same reasons as you. We were among the first. It took me a month to get each listing manually canceled and moved, however, and then I was terminated. I owed nothing, so I guess Karen felt safe in booting me, although I guess she thought she had nothing to lose by trying to squeeze an extra month out of me by firing off another invoice seconds after termination, along with some BS threatening collection letter and a "link" to pay.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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FYI: Here's a couple comments on WP's "closed board" policy I archived from a former WP seller:

Aug. 19

I'm not sure why you decided to keep the boards viewable to Wagglepop members only, but I feel it can only hurt us and not help us. It gives new potential buyers or store owners a aura of secrecy, when what they really want to see is openess and honesty ... when I signed up I found it very secretive and was suspicious. I signed up ONLY to look at the boards at first, and then decided to open my store aftwerwards. How many won't sign up and will just leave? Who can say! . . . it seems paranoid. We should not fear visitors, we should welcome them. . . I personally don't understand the misgivings people have over more openess and transparency. These are the cornerstones of good business.

[let the truth be told]

Morning Session

That is what they mean about morning session. Ray will be in the bathroom.




let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network

[Alskling]

[quote author=Alskling link=topic=3775.msg41554#msg41554 date=1170080530]
[quote author=RiverRat link=topic=3775.msg41553#msg41553 date=1170078325]
I don't know how they have it set up over at WP, but wouldn't "store" format listings just end if you closed your store?   How could they relist? 

I mean, wouldn't all your store format listings cease to exist if you no longer had a store?
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Good point, Rat. From what Truth and I have discovered, it appears the GTC listings remain after the store is closed, unless the store owner manually deletes them prior to closing. In a way, the proclamation by Karen supports this. Ray can still use these listings for SEO and to artificially inflate the listing counts. Plus, they still show up on search. It therefore behoves Ray to have this "lose ID and feedback" policy as a threat to deter sellers from closing stores in order for him to receive the store income as well as use the listings for SEO and listing counts.

It would appear, then, that a smart seller wanting to close his/her store would revise all the GTC listings (and change all listings to GTC) to include the new store location, so any buyer who might bring up a GTC listing will be directed away from the soon-to-be closed WP store to the new location set-up, after which the store owner simply closes his WP store. Ray would then have to delete the listings himself to keep the GTC listings from continuing past store closure, otherwise the former WP store owner would be getting some free SEO to his new location at Ray's expense.   
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Just saw something I wanted to add on this topic:

wagglepopCC1   29 Jan 2007 03:18      



Hello Members,

A very timely topic, as we are working on a possible promotion and corresponding supporting infrastructure to allow accounts that were properly closed to be re-opened under certain conditions.

Anyone who has closed an account and would like to re-open please contact us directly via Customer Care. The requests would do much to accelerate our efforts in this regard, and should the basic elements of the infrastructure be in place, we may be able to accomodate such requests prior to the promotion

Karen - WP Customer Care

NOW, can anybody here tell me HOW-IN-THE-HELL someone who has closed an account and would like to re-open WOULD EVEN SEE THIS FORUM POST, since they are no longer registered and don't have access to reading the boards?
:wtf: Thanks a lot, Karen. That was a great help.  

[let the truth be told]

NOW, can anybody here tell me HOW-IN-THE-HELL someone who has closed and account and would like to re-open WOULD EVEN SEE THIS FORUM POST, since they are no longer registered and don't have access to reading the boards?

That's funny I thought all accounts that have been closed were not in good standing. 

Seems even more funny that they would won't back people who they have claimed owe them money. 

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network

[racedream]

wagglepopCC1  29 Jan 2007 03:18     



Hello Members,

A very timely topic, as we are working on a possible promotion and corresponding supporting infrastructure to allow accounts that were properly closed to be re-opened under certain conditions.

Anyone who has closed an account and would like to re-open please contact us directly via Customer Care. The requests would do much to accelerate our efforts in this regard, and should the basic elements of the infrastructure be in place, we may be able to accomodate such requests prior to the promotion Smiley

Karen - WP Customer Care

Yes, a very timely topic since this subject has been discussed the past few days here on TT and over at PSU.

NOW, can anybody here tell me HOW-IN-THE-HELL someone who has closed an account and would like to re-open WOULD EVEN SEE THIS FORUM POST, since they are no longer registered and don't have access to reading the boards?

Since we know KaRay lurks here, KaRay knew that this post would eventually be posted here.

[Alskling]

[quote author=let the truth be told link=topic=3775.msg41567#msg41567 date=1170088406]

NOW, can anybody here tell me HOW-IN-THE-HELL someone who has closed and account and would like to re-open WOULD EVEN SEE THIS FORUM POST, since they are no longer registered and don't have access to reading the boards?

That's funny I thought all accounts that have been closed were not in good standing. 

Seems even more funny that they would won't back people who they have claimed owe them money. 

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network
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Maybe. WP will allow re-activation of an account if:
1) former Popper pledges to pay all back fees owed plus 50% interest delinquency fee for the period between account closure and accout reactivation
2) former Popper pays an up-front $50 "reactivation" fee
3) former Popper signs a sworn affidavid to never question WP policies or procedures and to comply with the monthly spam quota as set by staff, with monthly review
4) former Popper further publically swears allegiance to WP and dissavows any and all ties with other forums for purposes other than cheerleading and damage control associated with controversy that might arise over truthful posts by other former members
5) former Popper agrees to purchase a minimum of $100 of WaggleStuff
6) former Popper agrees to purchase a minimum of $100 in AdSmart words in the first 30 days after re-activation, and another $100 every 3 months thereafter
7) former Popper agrees to recruit at least 3 eBay Gold Power Sellers in the next 30 days from re-activation
8) former Popper agrees to be an active contributor to Ray's Fuzzy Pink Slipper fund, which is used solely for the purpose of refitting Ray in new fuzzy slippers on a monthly basis
9) former Popper agrees to join Ray's Board Post deletion gestapo task force and spend at least 2 hours daily policing board posts and allerting staff of "suspicious" activity
10) former Popper can prove he/she is capable of drinking a minimum of one gallon of Koolaid daily -- a notarized statement will do
11) former Popper agrees to sign over his/her first born into indentured servitude to Ray for a minumum of 2 years, or until the child OD's on Koolaid, whichever comes first

Now, wasn't that easy?

[thentavius]

Neither are upgrades. And how are listings, gallery and BIN features considered FREE, when a member pays monthly for the package?

This was one of my initial beefs with WP2 last year.

"FREE LISTINGS!" are not free listings if you have to pay $9.95 a month. It may be a flat fee listing style, but the listings still aren't free if you have to pay a monthly amount.

Free listings = no fees

People touting free listings have obviously never been to sites with free basic listings (where you only pay for bold / highlight / etc.).
Site like Yahoo, iOffer, BluJay, AuctionWitch, and if I remember right ricardo.nl, ebid, Tazbar, bidalot, etc.

[Alskling]

[quote author=thentavius link=topic=3775.msg41572#msg41572 date=1170092442]

Neither are upgrades. And how are listings, gallery and BIN features considered FREE, when a member pays monthly for the package?

This was one of my initial beefs with WP2 last year.

"FREE LISTINGS!" are not free listings if you have to pay $9.95 a month. It may be a flat fee listing style, but the listings still aren't free if you have to pay a monthly amount.

Free listings = no fees

People touting free listings have obviously never been to sites with free basic listings (where you only pay for bold / highlight / etc.).
Site like Yahoo, iOffer, BluJay, AuctionWitch, and if I remember right ricardo.nl, ebid, Tazbar, bidalot, etc.


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WP does NOT have FREE listings. WP offers a SUBSCRIPTION PACKAGE, which INCLUDES listings, gallery and BIN as part of the monthly fee. E.g., just because a subscriber pays a monthly charge for cell phone usage with unlimited calling privileges DOES NOT MAKE IT FREE. HELLO, POPPERS, there is an "R" in "free" and no "r" in FEE. Do not confuse the two!

In some countries (Sweden for example) what Ray is doing would be considered "false advertising", which is ILLEGAL and Ray's sorry  would be in jail. Which leads me to another point. Does anyone know what the international laws would be regarding this type of marketing in countries where it is illegal should Ray want to go spam for sellers there? 

[sneakymagenta]

[quote author=let the truth be told link=topic=3775.msg41565#msg41565 date=1170087633]


Ray will be in the bathroom.
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Translated into Karenspeak: Ray will be using the supporting infrastructure to enhance the poop dynamic.

[Platzki]

[quote author=sneakymagenta link=topic=3775.msg41579#msg41579 date=1170095415]
[quote author=let the truth be told link=topic=3775.msg41565#msg41565 date=1170087633]


Ray will be in the bathroom.
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Translated into Karenspeak: Ray will be using the supporting infrastructure to enhance the poop dynamic.
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I've never heard anyone speak like that until I was at WP.  Half the time what was said made absolutely no sense whatsoever!  I always had to read the posts like 3-4 times and then STILL didn't know what the hell they were talking about.