Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens

[youroverheadbin]

[quote author=bricabracjo link=topic=3775.msg49755#msg49755 date=1176777225]
Hi ya, Bill, nice to see you here too!!

I'm not sure about this Batjeep Bat Cave store but I do know that I did up a few logos for a new WP store a couple of weeks ago and his name is Darth Vader's Bat Cave. I'm pretty sure they are not the same store, but the Darth one is a real WP Store. The store names are pretty similar indeed.   
[/quote]

They are similar Bric but they are definitely two different accounts.

[isawthelight]

Hi, Bric!

I'm so glad to see so many more familiar faces here!

Second, here's the silly one, the icon for the founding members. WP gave everyone one. Or pretty close to it. I thought that, that icon would have meant something to all the real (seniors now or ex-poppers) founding members who really pushed WP in promotion. Silly, huh?

Not silly at all! I'll tell you what's silly! Thinking that the founding members who received that icon would really be limited, to say the first 500 members...that those who tried so hard to help build WP would always have a $9.95 fee even if it increased later. Or that they would always have free listings even if they eventually charged for gallery and such. Ha! Ha! Ha! Man, I can be a dreamer. Too bad I dream about the wrong things. LOL

And it still gets my goat that I hung in there for so long. I was just so sure that it eventually would work, until Christmas came and went and then everyone and their brother received an icon, then the big "grand opening" nothing. Eeeesh, took me long enough!

It's hard to believe that there are Poppers more stubborn than I am. If they're making sales, great, they should stay. If not, there's only so long one can wait to make sales. I guess the threshold is different for everyone!

Rebecca

[Alskling]

It's hard to believe that there are Poppers more stubborn than I am. If they're making sales, great, they should stay. If not, there's only so long one can wait to make sales. I guess the threshold is different for everyone!

My threshold came when I repeatedly emailed WP Customer Support requesting a 25 cent commission credit on a sale that both I and buyer mutually agreed to cancel.

It took nearly a month to get credit, and only after CC contacted my buyer, without my knowledge or consent, to spy on my actions, and see if I was trying to sell the item "under the table." My buyer was infuriated at CC for contacting her and insinuating that we might be conducting a clandestine sale and emailed me saying she would NEVER deal with WP again on any level and canceled her membership. When I brought this situation on the boards, I was wrongly accused of being a liar and a cheat by a cheerleader, and when I requested an apology, it was MY post that was censored and my hand slapped. For whatever reason, other cheerleaders supported CC and its actions. After all KaRay walks on water, and as a divine leader, everything he/she does should not be questioned. And to reward the cheerleaders for their strokes, KaRay cheered on the masses. 

This incident came not long after another buyer, who was accused of being a troll for simply asking a few questions about WP on the boards, was censored and dis-membered by Karay. Incidentally, this buyer did purchase several items from me off another venue and paid IMMEDEDIATELY.

This lack of integrity and business ethics by KaRay soured me right then and there, and not long afterward I started moving my inventory.



Edit: As time when on, and I did more research, I discovered that these appauling business ethics were just the tip of the iceberg and merely symptoms of a much deeper problem that stems from Ray's megalomaniacal personality and his visions of power, self-gratification and grandeur at the expense of anything and everything that gets in his way. His agenda: through smooth-talkin' platitudes and empty promises (a.k.a. Koolaid) he cons Poppers into parting with their hard-earned $$$.   

[isawthelight]

My threshold came when I repeatedly emailed WP Customer Support requesting a 25 cent commission credit on a sale that both I and buyer mutually agreed to cancel.

It took nearly a month to get credit, and only after CC contacted my buyer, without my knowledge or consent, to spy on my actions, and see if I was trying to sell the item "under the table." My buyer was infuriated at CC for contacting her and insinuating that we might be conducting a clandestine sale and emailed me saying she would NEVER deal with WP again on any level and canceled her membership. When I brought this situation on the boards, I was wrongly accused of being a liar and a cheat by a cheerleader, and when I requested an apology, it was MY post that was censored and my hand slapped. For whatever reason, other cheerleaders supported CC and its actions. After all KaRay walks on water, and as a divine leader, everything he/she does should not be questioned. And to reward the cheerleaders for their strokes, KaRay cheered on the masses. 

This incident came not long after another buyer, who was accused of being a troll for simply asking a few questions about WP on the boards, was censored and dis-membered by Karay. Incidentally, this buyer did purchase several items from me off another venue and paid IMMEDEDIATELY.

This lack of integrity and business ethics by KaRay soured me right then and there, and not long afterward I started moving my inventory.

I think that's what took me so long to get it through my thick head what was going on. When I would e-mail a question to CC, I always got quick, friendly replies. When I had a  NPB, I received the credit right away. I didn't quite believe how other sellers were being treated. I couldn't imagine it. Of course, I was a pretty big cheerleader in the beginning, posting on the boards, trying to come up with ways to bring in buyers and boost morale.  Ugh. Ugh.

Then I heard more and more unethical stories like yours and more and more were happening to sellers I knew personally, sellers who had been cheerleaders, too, all of a sudden gone.

Something had to be wrong, very wrong.

I think it's only a matter of time before the remaining sellers get burned, even the staunchest supporters. It's inevitable.

Rebecca

[Alskling]

I didn't quite believe how other sellers were being treated. I couldn't imagine it. Of course, I was a pretty big cheerleader in the beginning, posting on the boards, trying to come up with ways to bring in buyers and boost morale.  Ugh. Ugh.

Then I heard more and more unethical stories like yours and more and more were happening to sellers I knew personally, sellers who had been cheerleaders, too, all of a sudden gone.

A good point which illustrates the power of cultist mind-control.  During WWII, there were millions of Germans who simply could not believe that their government could be involved in autrocities. As long as they were loyalists and staunch Nazi supporters, they were themselves treated with courtesy, respect and privilege -- that was their reality. Then suddenly they would begin to notice that the family attorney, butcher or doctor had suddenly disappeared. And then a few months later, they would learn of his demise in a gas chamber through a mutual friend or family member.

The two scenarios don't compare in scope, but the tactics are similar: people believe what they want to believe, no matter how irrational it may appear to "non-believers"  -- no matter how many "stories" they hear -- especially when the "believers" are rewarded for believing and those rewards (be they physical or psychological) come from individuals in positions of power and authority, whom the membership admires and supports. They can live in this dreamland and deny all that discounts it, until either the axe comes down on their heads or they hear of it coming down on someone else's they know from a trusted and reliable source.

Business is not built on "faith." Business is grounded in reality: The reality of serving your customers and fulfilling their needs. The reality of feeding your family and paying your rent. The reality of fixing problems with tangible, constructive solutions. WP is NOT a business. It is one guy who uses people to further his own ends at their expense. He does this by trying to create something in their minds built purely on their hope and faith -- an "imaginary" entity, the pot of gold over the rainbow, the perfect, pure Arian, e-commerce world.

WP is the cult of Ray. The fact that some sellers may be making a sale here and there does not diminish that fact. All cults have elements of business conducted within them, but THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM A BUSINESS. Microsoft, McDonalds or eBay cannot be confused with The Jehovah's Witnesses. This is the Grand Deception. One big CON. Sellers are duped  into "believing" they are becoming part of a growing business, when, in fact, WP is no more of a business than the Flat Earth Society, nor will it EVER be. In the meantime, one guy has $$ deposited in his account, just like clockwork, every month, for as long as it takes for the "believers" to meet up with their own reality checks.

Here, Poppers, have some more 

[youroverheadbin]

DB 
An excellent post, well stated and compared. It deserves karma.

[FineThings4U]

Thank you DB!  You are so eloquent.  Perfect post - had to pass the karma.

[youroverheadbin]

dbdiscounts just abruptly emptied again. I guess with the 2 new stores that opened today KaRay could afford to close this ghost store one more time. 

What a joke.

[sneakymagenta]

Business is not built on "faith."...He does this by trying to create something in their minds built purely on their hope and faith -- an "imaginary" entity, the pot of gold over the rainbow

The buyers'll come out
Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar
That tomorrow
There'll be buyers!
Just thinkin' about
Tomorrow
Clears away the cobwebs,
And the sorrow
'Til there's none!
When I'm stuck a day
That's gray,
And lonely,
I just stick out my chin
And Grin,
And Say,
Oh
The buyers'll come out
Tomorrow
So ya gotta hang on
'Til tomorrow
Come what may
Tomorrow!
Tomorrow!
I love ya
Tomorrow!
You're always
A day
A waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

[youroverheadbin]

Sneaky!!


I love that musical - Annie, especially the original with Carol Burnett.