Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Ray and his antics are always good for entertainment.  tolensmiley:

I can't believe that PS is going to pay the $60 to play on that loser site.  You can get an Amazon Webstore for $60 for crying out loud.  Makes me wonder even more about PS, butt kisser that she is.

She runs around PSU, AM and WP like a little puppy dog looking for attention from the site owners.  Poor little pathetic lonely girl. She moans on Amazon boards but nobody cares!

[Alskling]

makes me wonder even more about PS

Ummm. I think she's really gone off the deep end. She's asking how much it would cost to partnership, buy the site, take it over with another name, about Ray's tax write off if he were to sell or transfer ownership, etc.

Did she learn nothing about  entering into contracts with boinktards and wasting her money when her home went into foreclosure because her mortgage was allegedly acquired through an "unscrupulous" broker.



That's not "butt-kissing." That's STUPIDITY.

[rho]

Maybe she's trying to make a love match between her former and current favorite sites.

Interesting that changing the site name would be mentioned. Gee, ya' think someone finally woke up and smelled the coffee?

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Well yeah, stupid would be one hell of an understatement!!

She is boinktard extraordinaire.  She does a lot of butt kissing to MZ and boinktard though, like she is seeking attention.

I do believe that she has gone off of the deep end too, asking all of those nonsense questions about the business.  Would you go to a site that had boinktard #1 and boinktard #2 running the show?  :turkey2:

I really, really think Boinktard #1 is looking for a way out to shut down the place and make it look like it's the useless membership that did it to him and he was forced to shut it down.  Who in the hell would pay 60 bucks for a store, hell even 10 stores, on that site? 

He knows that the loyals will be leaving because the koolaid is too bitter this time to swallow.

[Platzki]

Thanks for thinking of me Fine... I swear I peed when I saw Andray's perceived value of WP.... OMG I laughed so hard, outloud, I scared myself!!  LOL  I was thinking oh... I don't know... 5... 6 cents... max!! LOL

I can't believe that the day is actually and FINALLY coming and DB... you are right... we haven't always seen eye to eye but your delusional, old lady, crazy mind recommended the no up-front fee structure eons ago.

Follow the bouncing turkey head...

:turkey2: :turkey2: :turkey2: :turkey2: :turkey2: :turkey2: :turkey2: :turkey2:

Bum bum bum...
Wagglepop bites the dust...
Bum bum bum...
Wagglepop bites the dust...

It still amazes me that he says that the full blames lies on the sellers who didn't pay their bills...

No... It lies on...

1) An owner whose censorship was so harsh that you weren't allowed to ask anything regarding your sales or basically anything business related whatsoever.

2) An owner who wouldn't listen when at 900 stores, the sellers told him what they wanted and he would ban them for questioning his "all knowingness".

3) An owner who wouldn't allow Sellers to discuss amongst themselves business related issues... or ask questions regarding each others sales.

4) An owner who banned Sellers who were not fit to the mold of your average "Loyal Wagglepopper"... or more simply put, those who stayed away from the Kool-Aid.

5) An owner who lied to the flock by telling them month after month that WP's sellers were being kicked out for not paying their bills instead of the truth... that they were banning the sellers for asking simple marketing questions on the forums.

Andray... almost free ISN'T free... $10 is NOT free.  If I walk into a store and take a magazine that says, "FREE TAKE ONE" and leave the store, nothing happens.  If I take a $10 magazine from a store and don't pay for it, I get arrested.  'Cause $10 isn't free... it isn't even ALMOST free.

Alison... I know your reading this and I actually agree with you that the stucture should be free up front so the FVF makes not only you money but the site owner as well.  The owner gets a free ride otherwise on your hard work.

And don't even get me started that when you have a fee structure such as WP, the owner couldn't care less if there are buyers for your goods cause they are getting paid up front fees!  WP never focused on getting buyers because they were already getting paid!!! 

WP banned themselves into oblivion.  Even though I was a seller on WP (briefly... I think it was a brain fart or something)...I was their CUSTOMER!!  I paid them to sell there and they kicked me off for stating an opinion... NOT and I repeat NOT for skipping out on my bill. 

It was inevitable that eventually they would ban themselves right into the history books... that is if anyone would care enough to read such a short story.

I wouldn't.

PS... btw... the one thing that makes me absolutely frigging crazy about this whole $60 a month thing is that the loyal poppers are still taking everything this creep says as the truth.  Don't they ever question as to why this man is asking for more money up front?  And people are willing to work and help for free?  Weird.

[Platzki]

OK so I just reread my post and I have a few more things to add...

I feel truly sorry for all of the sellers of Wagglepop that this is happening to them.  I would never wish ill will on anyone's business, livelihood or happiness.  With that said, I must say that most of the very active forum sellers were aware of the existence of this TT thread as they made sure to tell peoplenot to visit here and listen to the naysayers of WP.

Unfortunately, I think now they see that this was the forum with the most truth surrounding WP that exists anywhere on the internet.

If they would have given this thread the attention it deserved, they wouldnot be in the situation that they are in now.  At the absolute very least, they would have another store on another venue to fall back on.  One that they spent time building and backing up their listings and building their business.

I don't know if anyone (except those of us who participate) took this thread seriously but from day one, we all spoke the truth... at least as we saw it...and I think that it now coming to light in a most unfortunate way.

If I could say one thing to the WP'ers that are still hanging on... "Stop, count your losses and move on."  Stop playing his game and start playing yours.

Best of luck to all...

[xwpopper]

I wonder if Ray is planning on changing this?
http://www.wagglepop.com/bin/Help?cmd=view&pages=sellingFees
Nothing like bait and switch!

[FineThings4U]

It really saddens me to know what happens next.  It's like watching the Titanic sink over and over again.  If Ray doesn't get his core group of sellers to cough up the bucks, he's going to have his pets attack like starving wolves.

It will start with something like:  If you sold better merchandise (that one really raised the hair on the back of my neck, huh DB?) or if you weren't so stupid and worked harder (that one applied to me) or if you would stay off the boards and accepted pity sales and just shut up everything will be okay.

Most of us have disagreed at one time or another, but we have remained adults and don't take pot shots at each other or their business. 

This time, of the group that is left, there are not enough "visionaries" to soften the blow when the wolves turn on each other.  Poof will go WP - and some of the very fine sellers who remain there will not even try to sell again because the taste of the bile that rose in their throat when the savagery begins just will not go away.

[Alskling]

IF you sold better merchandise (that one really raised the hair on the back of my neck, huh DB?

Oh, yes. How could I forget. The reason I wasn't getting tons of sales in Koolaidville was because I was selling carp nobody wanted. Funny how the same carps were hot sellers elsewhere.



Edit: I like the Titantic analogy -- remember the blah, blah wombat poo poo from "Karen" about WP being the ship and the sellers being at the wheel -- except in WP's case, the "captain" PURPOSELY steered directly into an iceberg and there are no life boats.

[Alskling]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Revolution RE-RE-RE-RE-wind. Seems like the rules are changing daily. AP is now "part owner" of Wagglepop.

I'd post the annoucement here, but my editing functions don't work with this site.

www.wagglepop.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=8568

(I hope I got the link right, since I can't "cut-n-paste".