PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
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04-15-2008, 07:53 PM,
(This post was last modified: 04-19-2008, 11:05 AM by mandy.)
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
[quote author=xwpopper link=topic=9139.msg69101#msg69101 date=1208195767]
I still haven't seen a reply from Superdeals on any forum regarding why the old Bidz users were transferred onto PH-EU. The question has been brought there from here on another forum, and never responded to. Considering PH is comprised of many, many ex-poppers and ex-Ewaey members, I am sure they would have a vested interest in knowing that the new PH owners used the same practice of transferring unsuspecting members private information from one site to another. Mo, as much as I respect your statement about not being in the EU loop, was this ever even mentioned in all the months of negotiations, that a name you owned and are forever associated with would be linked to such a blatant privacy infringement? If the members didn't sign up on Plunderhere.eu, then they have no business being on there without their explicit written consent. There goes the reputation of the entire PlunderHere name that you have worked so hard to build in one extremely poor business decision by the new owners, less than a week after the announcement. [/quote] I reposted your question over on TCH because Mo was logged in over there...she logged out without answering it so it would appear the question is being ignored. : -------- On a different note, we all know that Alexa's ratings are crap because they can be easily manipulated. Here's a Quantcast manipulation tip from PH's admin: Quote:I always go thru the front page as that get counted on Quantcast and others for the traffic. PH has Quantcast tags on its RScript pages (auction script) but not on its VBulletin (forum) pages hence the reason for the admin to "go thru the front page" to get counted by Quantcast rather than taking the normal non-manipulative route of going directly to the forum : FYI, the best example of Quantcast visitor count manipulation can be seen by looking at the short lived sharp upward spike in Wagglepop's Quantcast traffic charts just prior to WP's introduction of an advertising system (Flagship Banner) which bases its ad rates on Quantcast visitor counts. ----- meta description Wrote:AlsoShop.com is an alternative to ebay auction site where registered users post ads offering merchandise which they possess and wish to sell in an open auction environment Totally off topic (or is it?): lookee here what I stumbled upon when doing a lookup of PH's old ns1.hostedinflorida.com nameservers, a new RScript auction site called www.alsoshop.com hosted on the same nameservers [link to whois] that plunderhere is being forced to move from. Hey, look at that, PH and AlsoSold aren't the only auction sites using those name servers! Quote:domains sharing nameservers Hey, lookee at this--one of PH's current mods has discovered the site too! Hey, several other current PH sellers have found it too! What a coinky dinky! How'd they find it? Who helped them find it? Will PH's new owner wind up with less than he bargained for when he bought PH? Questions, questions, questions! Mo should be alerted to this covert migration (since I'm sure this is the first news she's heard of it) so she can nip the migration in the bud!!!!! arcasm1: Stay tuned boys and girls, fun time in the sleazy world of eBayalternativeland is just getting started... Edited by Mandy to fix link
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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04-15-2008, 09:28 PM,
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Quote:Stay tuned boys and girls, fun time in the sleazy world of eBayalternativeland is just getting started... Two topics on TT featuring two different slimy boinktard weasels named Ray playing starring roles could lead to confusion amongst the popcorn eating viewers and fighting in the aisles . :blinkie: popcorn eater #1: Ray is such an asshole. I can't believe the censorship on his forum! popcorn eater #2: I've seen Ray boink over other site owners but I've never seen him censor his forums. popcorn eater #1: I wasn't talking about that Ray doofus! popcorn eater #2: Who the boink you calling doofus you stupid assmunch?!?!?!
OAI Moron Hall of Fame
<i>sell-thru is an irrelevant and illogical consideration.</i> -KaRay, owner of WP giving selling advice, 2006 <i>the site was 'NOT' hacked but the little script that had recipes on had the link altered</i> -Plunderhere Owner Mark Taylor after his site was hacked by a Chinese hacker gang, 2008 Some people have it like that, others dont. I do. -Probidscripts owner Spencer Osama Binweb Laden Ray bragging about his ability to scam the OAI without feeling any guilt, 2008. How does an auction site get buyers? -question asked at PSU by owner of auction site BidBeaver.ca, 2008 How do I get sales? -question asked at PSU by online store owner, 2009. I was told by my Tech. Support that my site dont really need SSL.. his servers are well protected and that info your providing to join aint really top secret information -owner of auction site TheTraderOutlet.com discussig his site's lack of basic security, 2009 |
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04-16-2008, 01:48 AM,
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Quote:Hey, lookee at this--one of PH's current mods has discovered the site too! Hey, several other current PH sellers And PSU dorks.......... : |
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04-16-2008, 03:29 PM,
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Bidz.org.uk was an active auction site in 2006 and 2007 but the site's owner Palgold Europe Ltd , which now owns Plunderhere.eu, filed as a dormant company last year.
Quote:Accounting Reference Date: 31/03http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/WebCHeck/findinfopage/ (note: searching via this link is available from Monday to Saturday 7.00am to 12 Midnight UK Time - even websites need their beauty rest :twistedevil: ) The instructions for Inland Revenue's CT41G Dormant Company form state: Quote:We treat a company as dormant if it has not started, and is not about to start, any business activity.http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ctsa/ct41g-dci.pdf One can only surmise by Palgold's dormant filing status that Inland Revenue has issued an edict stating that operating an eBay alternative auction site isn't tantamount to conducting "business activity" - given the minuscule GMV of current and past Palgold owned auction sites I would have to agree with the assessment that no business activity is taking place. |
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04-16-2008, 08:53 PM,
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
I am completely, and thoroughly confused.
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04-16-2008, 09:53 PM,
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
PlunderHere.eu's owner Mark,who is based in Labuan Malaysia, and Palgold don't have the best track record when it comes to running auction sites: their previous efforts Bidz.org.uk, and Palgold (http://web.archive.org/web/2007042520484...boutus.php) were anything but successful and left a stream of angry users in their wake.
Here's a post from August 2007 by a former bidz.org.uk user who was worried that his personal information would be misused after the site disappeared without notice Quote:What really gets to me about this type of situation is the cavalier attitude of whoever now owns the site. At the very least they could have sent an email to their members - not a big task and other sites seem able to manage it. I should imagine people who have stores there are hopping mad. Quote:Amazingly after an absence of well over a month the site has popped back into existence without explanation, apology or comment! Meanwhile any goodwill it might have developed must surely have evaporated with the four winds. Another seller discusses her experience with Bidz and Mark (whose company now owns PlunderHere): Quote:Needless to say, after non-existant CS and the disappearance of the site for months on end, I doubt if I'll bother with it again. http://www.pheebay.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=208&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25&sid=82e50be23195df7aa205166970f32f84 Another forum, another disgruntled user complaining about lack of communications and the inability of the site's ownership to provide a smoothly functioning site: Quote:Not to be confused with the much bigger and better known Bidz site in the USA which mainly deals with jewellery. www.bidz.org.uk is a UK based site which has been around for a couple of years. I joined as a buyer not as seller, which was just as well because the site completely disappeared from view for well over a month. It would not load and all you got was various messages which told you nothing about what the root problem was. Being a persistent person I kept trying and a few days ago it suddenly re-emerged but not surprisingly the amount of items listed had nose-dived to less than 300. Also most of the stores were empty.http://www.auctionlotwatch.com/forum/vie...php?t=3813&sid=34579d60494bca1dece48664001984ed PlunderHere.eu and PlunderHere.com's users are in for quite a treat based on the new owner's past efforts. :
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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04-16-2008, 10:26 PM,
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Quote:PlunderHere.eu and PlunderHere.com's users are in for quite a treat based on the new owner's past efforts. Roll Eyes Does sound that way.......why oh why do people fall for these kinds of scammers?? : |
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04-16-2008, 10:45 PM,
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
I do think that post stirred up a hornet's nest at TCH!
Look at the big picture: A US site, run by a UK company, but based in Malaysia, and associated with international privacy violations. Add into that the fact that Mark actually said he was justified in copying the member database details onto an entirely different domain, since it is really the same business. Did eBay transfer all eBay member details into Skype and automatically setup their accounts for them? NO! Why??? because of privacy laws. Then, he politely insults everyone by saying "Palgold (USA) has now acquired the rights to Plunderhere.com and its trademarks... We have every right to change the name of any one of our businesses, auctions and/or anything else we own." Boy, if that isn't a disaster waiting to happen... He does have every right to change the name, acquire a new division, and operate it however he chooses. But, he cannot take on trademarked name, and change it to a purchased trademarked name, copy the member database to a different domain, and not violate every member's privacy. It was wrong when Ray kept the details of 7,000 sellers and spammed them for WP2. It was wrong when Alex started registering hundreds of former Ewaey members on the new site. But, it's OK for PlunderHere to do it now? I see this as being a BIG issue once the big supporters of PH get wind of it, especially with so many ex-poppers on board. There really are laws. There really are privacy acts. And they really are being violated. And to close, one last quote from Superdeals. "First answer to this thread is we do not visit nor have time to go running around and answering every question to every forum everywhere on the net. My apologies but I am running a business here and I don't have time to be a member of every forum out there!" And still... No changes to the privacy policies, including the mis-stated "AuctionQuests" statement on PH-EU's privacy policy. That's how to run a business.
"Listen up Mother****er. Try that bulls*** here and I will hand you and your head in a basket"
- Ray Romeo's alter ego Andrew Pittino responding when I signed up a new account on Wagglepop to verify the non-existence of a way to opt out of his sharing my information with third parties. |
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04-17-2008, 02:24 AM,
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Guess the name of the new admin at alsoshop.com, you said? Mo. Now where is my prize??
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04-17-2008, 03:13 AM,
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2008, 03:27 AM by bargainbloodhound.)
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Quote:A US site, run by a UK company, but based in Malaysia The US site is owned by Palgold Card Services LLC (a Delaware LLC formed in '06) and the UK site is owned by Palgold Europe Ltd (a UK co also formed in '06) . The old Palgold auction site was owned by Data Consultants Inc (a Malaysia company). Based on various statements made by Plunderhere (and statements made on the .eu site's about us page) I'm assuming that users' information is being shared between all 3 of those companies. -------- corporate records can be found here: https://sos-res.state.de.us/tin/controller http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/WebCHeck/findinfopage/ (7am-12am UK time) Quote:There really are laws. There really are privacy acts. And they really are being violated. With Mark's apparent limited knowledge of EU/UK/US laws I'm sure there will be many more that are violated. Glancing at the Plunderhere.eu website, right away I see one UK law that is being violated. Quote:Companies in the UK must include certain regulatory information on their websites and in their email footers before 1st January 2007 or they will breach the Companies Act and risk a fine. PH.eu lists the company name and place of registration (on their about us page) but omits the company registration number, and registered office address, and email address (cotact us forms don't meed the requirement) which is a violation of the Companies Act FYI, this requirement which went into effect early last year, applies to all websites which are owned by a UK company, not just ecommerce sites http://www.out-law.com/page-7594 (links to the full laws are at the bottom of the page) ================= [quote author=BellisimaJ. link=topic=9139.msg69167#msg69167 date=1208399061] Now where is my prize?? [/quote] DeepRiverMan will be scampering up the tree outside your window shortly to serenade you with songs about the mother of all tribes..
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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