[quote author=regic link=topic=18117.msg71312#msg71312 date=1215964528]
Supreme Court rulings on obscenity:
Roth v US
Quote:The standard for judging obscenity, adequate to withstand the charge of constitutional infirmity, is whether, to the average person, applying contemporary community standards, the dominant theme of the material, taken as a whole, appeals to prurient interest
Miller v California
Quote:whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
http://www.findlaw.com/01topics/06consti...cases.html
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That's the problem. They don't care if the entire blog is looking like pro-bloggers'......if it has one nude image on it, it is deleted.
The problem is that their policy states "NO Nudity" and "No Porn". But nudity, as we know, is not necessarily porn. So, whichever mod checks out the complaint, will make a decision based on their own beliefs, and there is no oversight in place.
This is the blog that they deleted from their system today (among a bunch of others):
http://www.billiondollarbaloney.blogspot.com/
Now, I will grant them that Warhol did have 2 images on the site (I never saw them until a mod posted them for me) that could easily be considered pornish. BUT, if you consider the site as a whole, then it should not have been deleted.
What about a new mom breastfeeding? Should that be deleted? Not that I would post any of that stuff, but that others should have that right.
Oh, and this morning, a post from an EC blog was at the top of EC's home page. Title: "Anal Sex: How to Make Sure Your Partner Enjoys It".
What a ridiculous policy that allows for that (which I could care less about----I can always decline to read it), but does not allow nudity of any sort. :
[quote author=bargainbloodhound link=topic=18117.msg71313#msg71313 date=1215966590]
My suggestion for a new policy: use the Supreme Court rulings to guide you
1. Decide whether the image is nudity or pornography:
A. If it's nudity: STFU and leave the blog writer and their images alone
B. If it's pornography...
1. if
"the work blog, taken as a whole, has serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value", ask the blog writer to either remove the porn or move the porn to a page that requires users to access the pornographic image through a
"I'm 18+ and agree to view sexually explicit material" landing page
2. if the blog's
"primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal" or
"appeal to the prurient interest"...ban it.
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:ditto:
Quote:So, whichever mod checks out the complaint, will make a decision based on their own beliefs, and there is no oversight in place.
They need to train their mods better.
Quote:the biblethumping hypocrites in this country
Save the children from the horror of seeing pictures of the naked body! Buy the kids a gun and teach them that killing innocent people during a bulls.hit war is heroic! Yeah baby!
[quote author=sneakymagenta link=topic=18117.msg71322#msg71322 date=1215992924]
Quote:the biblethumping hypocrites in this country
Save the children from the horror of seeing pictures of the naked body! Buy the kids a gun and teach them that killing innocent people during a bulls.hit war is heroic! Yeah baby!
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Yeah. I so know. :
i told someone yesterday that i had taken my son to see "Titanic" when he was only 11. There were a couple of minor nude scenes in it. I am a really bad mother, or so I was told.
However, toy weapons were always forbidden in my house, and video games were restricted to those that didn't involve gratuitous violence, such as the games where you build cities or design something......you know, useful games. TV was also restricted.
[quote author=bargainbloodhound link=topic=18117.msg71313#msg71313 date=1215966590]
My suggestion for a new policy: use the Supreme Court rulings to guide you
1. Decide whether the image is nudity or pornography:
A. If it's nudity: STFU and leave the blog writer and their images alone
B. If it's pornography...
1. if
"the work blog, taken as a whole, has serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value", ask the blog writer to either remove the porn or move the porn to a page that requires users to access the pornographic image through a
"I'm 18+ and agree to view sexually explicit material" landing page
2. if the blog's
"primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal" or
"appeal to the prurient interest"...ban it.
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Very good way to do it, IMO. I floated it on EC yesterday. The thumpers came out of the woodwork, and no one else seemed to care about blog censorship..
But, oh, try to censor the forum.......... :
Today, Graham Langdon posted this as a response to my threads. He saw that not enough people cared about blog censorship, and moved in. A very different reaction from his reaction to our protests on forum censorship.
I will be surprised if Entrecard exists in two more years, but hell, I am frequently wrong.
Quote:As of right now, 9:00 PM PST, it is no longer permissible to discuss in any way, decisions made on behalf of the Entrecard team to remove a site from the Entrecard network.
Any complaints, suggestions, or issues with our decision to remove sites from the network must be taken up privately.
By starting threads that reference any site that Entrecard has decided to disclude from its program, you henceforth fore go your forum privileges.
We reserve the right to remove any account from Entrecard, at any time, for any reason. In the event of removal we will certainly issue a refund for the unspent portion of any credits you have recently purchased from us.
During the course of events that will make up Entrecard's evolution, we will have plenty of reasons for deciding plenty of sites are not allowed in our network. We have a right to the community at large to set standards as to what kind of content you will find in the entrecard network, and very specifically, what kind you won't. Our decisions are open for discussion, but only privately.
Quote:As of right now, 9:00 PM PST, it is no longer permissible to discuss in any way, decisions made on behalf of the Entrecard team to remove a site from the Entrecard network.
If Entrecard fails he can always get a job as a LiveWorld or Wagglepop moderator. :
[quote author=regic link=topic=18117.msg71337#msg71337 date=1216052522]
Quote:As of right now, 9:00 PM PST, it is no longer permissible to discuss in any way, decisions made on behalf of the Entrecard team to remove a site from the Entrecard network.
If Entrecard fails he can always get a job as a LiveWorld or Wagglepop moderator. :
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Yeah, and take his mods, or at least two of them, with him. They, and he would fit in very well.
He has a money deal being announced tomorrow. Of course, he's been telling us that for weeks now. I wish he'd sell the thing to someone who knows what the hell they're doing. An idea is all well and good, but if you can't run it properly, be intelligent enough to hire someone to do it for you.
I feel sorry for Phirate, who is technically the code guy, but winds up being the babysitter, and even though he is largely responsible for the success of EC thus far, the credit all goes to Graham. (And eventually, maybe, the 1.2mil that it is currently worth)
Edit: Entrecard would not exist without Phirate, but he was offered only a very small stake in it by Graham Langdon. Phirate also appears to work 24 hours a day.
[quote author=jezebel link=topic=18117.msg71319#msg71319 date=1215977963]
Quote:So, whichever mod checks out the complaint, will make a decision based on their own beliefs, and there is no oversight in place.
They need to train their mods better.
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