Poll: Who is to blame for sellers leaving Wagglepop en masse? You do not have permission to vote in this poll. |
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Paid Feebay Employees With An Agenda | 1 | 1.64% | |
Infiltrators | 0 | 0% | |
Trolls | 0 | 0% | |
Naysayers | 1 | 1.64% | |
Morally Bankrupt Miscreants | 3 | 4.92% | |
Upstream Providers | 0 | 0% | |
Jealous Types | 1 | 1.64% | |
Deadbeats | 1 | 1.64% | |
Ray Romeo | 40 | 65.57% | |
Ray Romeo\'s Alter Ego KaRay | 10 | 16.39% | |
Wagglepop CEO Ray Romeo Listing Items On eBay In His eBay Store Instead Of Listing On His Own Site | 4 | 6.56% | |
Total | 61 vote(s) | 100% |
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Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
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08-09-2007, 04:20 PM,
Post: #16551
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
Quote:I posted on an etsy thread (where else are you)...my site meter is starting overload!! I have even gotten an email asking how is it selling here. That is sooo great. I am looking forward to seeing some new stores! Ray thanks you for being a boinktard. :
OAI Moron Hall of Fame
<i>sell-thru is an irrelevant and illogical consideration.</i> -KaRay, owner of WP giving selling advice, 2006 <i>the site was 'NOT' hacked but the little script that had recipes on had the link altered</i> -Plunderhere Owner Mark Taylor after his site was hacked by a Chinese hacker gang, 2008 Some people have it like that, others dont. I do. -Probidscripts owner Spencer Osama Binweb Laden Ray bragging about his ability to scam the OAI without feeling any guilt, 2008. How does an auction site get buyers? -question asked at PSU by owner of auction site BidBeaver.ca, 2008 How do I get sales? -question asked at PSU by online store owner, 2009. I was told by my Tech. Support that my site dont really need SSL.. his servers are well protected and that info your providing to join aint really top secret information -owner of auction site TheTraderOutlet.com discussig his site's lack of basic security, 2009 |
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08-09-2007, 05:06 PM,
Post: #16552
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
I know there will be no "mass" store openings from sellers over on Etsy.
Etsy is a niche site. Etsy does a lot to promote themselves. People there, are allowed to offer suggestions, ask real business questions of Etsy without getting banned, and are totally against SPAM. Most of these sellers would laugh at the thought of paying $9.95 over there for NO TRAFFIC and a company WHO DOES NOTHING BUT COLLECT YOUR MONEY. It would be interesting to see how these poppers explain how great it is to sell over on WP. Ummm, what are you going to say how great and friendly everyone is??? Mmmm, what will you answer when they ask you how traffic & sales are. I am sure they will answer "oh, we are still new and it is growing everyday, and sometime the traffic will pick up, just wait till the holiday season"......... Same line everyone has been hearing for over a year. Too bad over 700 stores couldn't hold out huh guys??? |
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08-09-2007, 07:20 PM,
Post: #16553
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
Time for the semi-monthly listing contest:
Quote:XXX 09 Aug 2007 09:59 Don't Poppers get it? Whether the site has 10,000 overpriced auto floor mats or 20,000 overpriced auto floor mats, NOBODY'S GOING TO BUY THEM! Apart from that, have Poppers considered what all these listing contests might say about the motivation levels of sellers as viewed from a buyer's perspective -- or from a potential store owner's, for that matter? Instead of sales and income derived therefrom as motivation in and of itself, Poppers need the carrot of possibly winning a $10 gift certificate, so they can slime each other and exchange feedback. What seller needs more motivation to list other than knowing a sale will come from listing, unless he/she feels listing is fruitless without some other kind of reward? If I were a buyer and came to the WP boards, and saw every other post had something to do with a listing contest, I'd definitely say something is not quite right with this picture. If I were a seller considering setting up shop at WP, all these listing contest posts would raise a red flag for me -- NO ACTION HERE. |
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08-09-2007, 10:18 PM,
Post: #16554
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
DB - You are so on the money. It was one thing when the site had 900+ stores and was NEW, but after over a year of this, a bit ridiculous.
Am I a big member yet??? |
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08-10-2007, 12:09 AM,
Post: #16555
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
Quote:Don't Poppers get it? Whether the site has 10,000 overpriced auto floor mats or 20,000 overpriced auto floor mats, NOBODY'S GOING TO BUY THEM! Even if they were underpriced I wouldn't buy them or anything else on WP because of WP's telephone verification system. |
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08-10-2007, 12:56 AM,
Post: #16556
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
[quote author=amy link=topic=3775.msg63622#msg63622 date=1186704541]
Quote:Don't Poppers get it? Whether the site has 10,000 overpriced auto floor mats or 20,000 overpriced auto floor mats, NOBODY'S GOING TO BUY THEM! Even if they were underpriced I wouldn't buy them or anything else on WP because of WP's telephone verification system. [/quote] :ditto: Besides not wanting to contribute any kind of money in any way to WP. This is another reason I would not buy on WP. I thought this was a very bad idea. Maybe if they wanted to verify the sellers that's one thing. If you wanted to sell on a site you might go through that. But as a buyer there are too many other places that they can shop for the same things and not have to go through this hassle. Just about everyone I asked if they would do that to buy on the site said no. I had one person say well maybe but it would probably have to be something I really wanted. |
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08-10-2007, 03:08 AM,
Post: #16557
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
[quote author=scoop link=topic=3775.msg63626#msg63626 date=1186707402]
[quote author=amy link=topic=3775.msg63622#msg63622 date=1186704541] Quote:Don't Poppers get it? Whether the site has 10,000 overpriced auto floor mats or 20,000 overpriced auto floor mats, NOBODY'S GOING TO BUY THEM! Even if they were underpriced I wouldn't buy them or anything else on WP because of WP's telephone verification system. [/quote] :ditto: Besides not wanting to contribute any kind of money in any way to WP. This is another reason I would not buy on WP. I thought this was a very bad idea. Maybe if they wanted to verify the sellers that's one thing. If you wanted to sell on a site you might go through that. But as a buyer there are too many other places that they can shop for the same things and not have to go through this hassle. Just about everyone I asked if they would do that to buy on the site said no. I had one person say well maybe but it would probably have to be something I really wanted. [/quote] This has ALWAYS been an issue on WP. From the beginning, buyers had to register with personal information - name, address, email, phone, etc. and couldn't even view the forums without it. This made no sense whatsoever. Then, the physical verification and the phone ID thing came on board. WP has NEVER been buyer friendly, so why anybody in his/her right mind would think buyers would flock to WP, when there are TONS of other sites that don't require buyers to stand on their heads, juggle and recite the alphabet backwards, while surrendering personal information shy of a social security number and mother's maiden name simply to brouse the listings and view the forums is totally beyond me ----- well, actually not. Ray doesn't, never has, and never wll give a wombat poo poo about buyers -- buyers don't bring a steady, monthly paycheck. Hey, Ray |
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08-10-2007, 05:38 AM,
(This post was last modified: 08-10-2007, 10:39 AM by bargainbloodhound.)
Post: #16558
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
Quote:Then, the physical verification and the phone ID thing came on board. Taking steps to screen out potentially fraudulent buyers is good BUT it's only good if you implement the fraud prevention measures in a way that is completely invisible to buyers and doesn't slow down the purchasing/checkout process (examples of "buyer friendly" fraud prevention measures from the ecommerce world: credit card AVS/fraud screening checks during checkout, manually checking orders after they are placed, etc). Ray has failed (badly...very badly) in making the fraud prevention measures "buyer friendly".
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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08-10-2007, 11:14 AM,
Post: #16559
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
[quote author=bargainbloodhound link=topic=3775.msg63629#msg63629 date=1186724288]
Quote:Then, the physical verification and the phone ID thing came on board. Taking steps to screen out potentially fraudulent buyers is good BUT it's only good if you implement the fraud prevention measures in a way that is completely transparent to buyers and doesn't slow down the purchasing/checkout process (examples of "buyer friendly" fraud prevention measures from the ecommerce world: credit card AVS/fraud screening checks during checkout, manually checking orders after they are placed, etc). Ray has failed (badly...very badly) in making the fraud prevention measures "buyer friendly". [/quote] DITTO, BBH!!!! Take air travel, for example, where fraud and identity protection measures are paramount. Imagine having to go through the metal detector and security checkpoints BEFORE planning a trip and making a reservation -- or even before you could research the airline's website for travelers' comments on service, on-time arrival stats, complaints, etc. Ray doesn't care about attracting buyers -- period. It was as plain as day one, as stated in WP's "philosophy" page, which said something to the effect of "it's your ship, we're just here to stear it". Translated to mean, "Give us your money every month and we'll give you space on our site. It's your job, not ours, to bring buyers." Apart from Ray's dopey registration system being buyer unfriendly, it is also seller candidate unfriendly, as many sellers will brouse forums to get a "feel" for the site --and may even post a few questions to other sellers regarding site performance, buyer issues, sales, etc. before diving in with time and energy to list and/or set up a store. They may even brouse the buyers' forums to see what issues buyers are facing and how their concerns are being addressed or check site announcements and other community information that might help them assess the site's potential in terms of benefitting their businesses. Making these people jump through hoops before checking out the site only serves to keep potential buyers and sellers from accessing information Ray doesn't want them to have (e.g. the buyers' forum is a ghost town, there is no advertising and none forthcoming, no info on the owners, their experience/qualification/background, sellers are holding semi-monthly listing costests as the only motivation to list, etc.), and possibly screen out "miscreants" and "trolls" from re-registering and infecting loyalists with a reality check. Under the guise of "fraud prevention", WP's registration procedures -- as well as most ALL WP policies, for that matter -- from the "zero tolerance" posting policy to intercepting PMs -- are rooted in, and reflect, Ray's hyper-paranoid nature. For this reason alone, WP will NEVER, EVER, no way Jose, be successful. Edit: I'd like to add that this hyper-paranoid personality disorder is characteristic of tyrants and hated dictators throughout history. These folks are always having to watch their backs and insulate themselves for self-protection from former loyalists who have rebelled against their tyranny and are now their mortal enemies. It becomes a vicious cycle of tyranny leads to rebellion leads to paranoia leads to more restrictive policies, which leads to further rebellion and so on. The spiral continues until the regime is overthown or the tyrant self-destructs. Toward the end, some loyalists will recognize that it is in their best interests to get fake passports and secretly high-tail it to Brazil, while a few who feel viscerally connected to their leader, largely due to having no identity outside of his shadow, will go down with their leader. All this is happening at WP. 2nd Edit: Hey loyalists, your esteemed leader has abandoned you. He has self-destructed and resurrecting himself with a new identity. He doesn't even want to be a part of you any more. All he wants is your money. Stop defending a ghost and standing in a ghost's shadow. While you are hanging on to false hopes with rah, rahs and listing contests, Ray has LISTED ANOTHER 96 MORE ITEMS in his eBay store in the last day, and he did it WITH YOUR MONEY. WAKE THE FRICK UP! |
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08-12-2007, 02:55 AM,
Post: #16560
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
Update:
WP: 167 stores -- dropped a store in the last 2 days Ray's ebay store: 123 items added in the last 2 days |
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