Poll: Who is to blame for sellers leaving Wagglepop en masse?

let the truth be told · 02-09-2007, 03:40 AM,

[quote author=scoop link=topic=3775.msg43099#msg43099 date=1170991086]
Truth why don't you read it your the one who has been writing post almost praising Brian and making the big announcement about his new project the aution site. You started bringing the subject of Brian into this thread before User391 or I did. Yes my first post was about Brian but it was only to tell everyone what happened on WP seeing they were all on here just guessing what happened. Â Your the one who kept posting about him after that.

Also if you read my entire post you will see I gave my opinion about WP in it as well which is what this thread is about.
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Scoop please read my previous post. Please point out where I anounced Brian's auction site.

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u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network

Alskling · (This post was last modified: 02-09-2007, 04:02 AM by Alskling.)

WE INTERRUPT THIS SAGA TO MAKE AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:

HEY, Grems, just want to let you know I will be retiring from my computer at around 11 p.m. EST. So, please set your watches, as you may safely come out of your hole any time after 11:15 p.m. EST and perform your duty appointed functions until 6:00 a.m. EST. So, don't miss this window of opportunity. I will be sorely disappointed in your work if I don't find at least 3 karma points deleted from my score.

Good night and good luck.

WE NOW RETURN TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED SAGA.

let the truth be told · 02-09-2007, 03:59 AM,

PowerSeller,

Quote:I realize that I'm far behind the action here, and most people on this thread don't like me anyway. I prefer not to Pop in here if it can be avoided.

Would you like to take this time to admit your guilt in stealing/removing karma from just about everyone on this thread? Maybe you would like to rephrase the quote above? Maybe you would like to know how I know you are the original karma gremlin?

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network

princessmirandajo · (This post was last modified: 02-09-2007, 04:09 AM by princessmirandajo.)

[quote author=scoop link=topic=3775.msg43095#msg43095 date=1170989836]

I think WP has missed the boat. A lot of sellers thought the site had a good chance and to a certain extent they were right. It looked like it was going in the right direction it experienced rapid growth. WP had a chance to take action and make the right decisions when they had over 900 stores there. Instead they seemed to make decisions that drove sellers and buyers away. I think it may be too late for them to recover.
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Bolding mine. That was what started me thinking, too, and probably many others, like you said.

I don't think I ever said or insinuated anything about you, scoop, but my apologies if I have done so. I was misguided, as well.

This is the problem with all these threads. No one really knows what happened. It will all come down to trusting our instincts, but.. I thought mine was telling me to stay at WP long ago, and that didn't work out well either. That's why I'm all about having your own site, now!

Very well said post, scoop. Wave

edited to add: the problem most of us had was we never saw WP missing the boat. I still think there was never a boat that WP was trying to get on. I would love for it to sink itself so we don't have to go down as the naysayers (but we will anyway). But, for any other seller to lose money is just horrible at this point.

princessmirandajo · (This post was last modified: 02-09-2007, 04:10 AM by princessmirandajo.)

Wow, we have a lot of lurkers. HI! Feel free to post! Smileywelcome

edited: dang, right after I posted that, two lurkers left. Do I stink? :o

scoop · 02-09-2007, 04:15 AM,

[quote author=let the truth be told link=topic=3775.msg42282#msg42282 date=1170558653]

WAGGLEFACT OF THE DAY

wagglepop vs. WPSSU

[img width=600 height=342]http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?f=555555&u=wagglepop.com&u=wpssu.com&u=&u=&u=&r=7d&y=r&z=1&h=400&w=700[/img]

Quote:Hi All,
Overnight our WPSSU weekly average has hit a all new high 227,655 Since Jan 18 we have been going in one direction and now as of today we have a 11 million users Reach matching Wagglepop 11 million user reach today.

Now that we are promoting all websites I must thank Ray of Wagglepop with his great business decision to cut off WPSSU Web promotion solely for Wagglepop and share it for all the auction sites.

Business skills like this is truly unique and rare and I have to say thumbs up Ray Thankyou I owe you one!

Brian

How can this be you ask? Well for those of you who don't know who or what WPSSU is and was here it is. Just a short time ago WPSSU was the main advertising venue for wagglepop. Around the 15th or 18th of Jan. something came between these 2 sites and Ray did Brian a huge favor by banning WPSSU from the wagglepop forums. Yes Brian is the founder of WPSSU and went to great lengths to advertise the WP sellers. Please take note if you haven't already the above quote from Brian which can be found in the WPSSU forums is sarcasm aimed towards RAY.

When Ray and Brian had there falling out so to speak little did Brian know what a huge favor Ray was doing him. Please note the above Alexa graph at this point. Two out of seven day's WPSSU has beaten WP in regards to reach per millions for the past seven days. Now some of you will say big deal, well it is a big deal when you consider right now WPSSU is only an advertising site and it is free. Before the falling out so to speak WPSSU was only advertising wagglepop sellers. Now look at WPSSU they are still building the site but they are advertising all sites as well as upholding there commitment to advertise for WP sellers.

What caused this falling out. That isn't for me to say however I do know it is Ray's controlling GREED that ended this marriage. If you go to the WPSSU forums I am sure Brian will post the reason's in the near future. Which may be sooner then later once Ray reads this wagglefact I am sure his greed and lack of self control will result in a few store closings.

What is my point?

Here it is:

I have said in the past leaving wagglepop has been & can be the best business decision you will ever make. Before I started writing this post I noticed that another larger store has left WP (over 600 listings went poof) another smart business decision for that seller. I have said my business has increased since I left and now look at WPSSU, before the 15th of Jan. there alexa traffic was non existent, since then there rank has improved by more then 100% and may be 200% when the next 3 month averages come out. Do you see a trend taking shape here? I do and so should you.

Because of the change in strategy the best is yet to come for WPSSU. I will not make the announcement but will advise everyone to go and see for themselves what is coming in the near future for WPSSU and that is a very BRIGHT FUTURE indeed.

Note to Ray & his inner circle:

Yes listen up Ray and the innerpops. Any action you take I have the answer to. Karma gremlins HAHAHAHA. I do know who you are and it isn't just one of them. Ray I know you are a LURKER here and may even be registered here on TT. I believe you have posted here recently as well Ray. You can't control your greed and therefore due to your lack of self control you have proven yourself to be a coward. Get your fork ready Ray you are going to have to stick it in again real soon. There is a new site coming to town that will lead customers right out the door. You deserve exactly what you get Ray and that is an empty site. You are reacting to the posts in this forum as a way of determining what direction WP will go. Stop stealing from the innocent wagglepop sellers now. False advertising can and will be enforced through the consumer protection agency in the short term Ray. Own up to what you are doing NOW. A scam such as your scam will come to an end the sad part is you have affected many more innocent sellers then the numbers show now or in the past. It is far more then what you have stated and far more than what we have stated here on TT.

WP sellers:

I only hope you have the time to backup your hard work rather then let or allow Ray to pull the rug out from underneath you. There are other real venues where you can sell for far less money and less turmoil. If you are undecided of a venue consult with members of TT, PSU or WPSSU. In fact check the PSU forums there is nobody there defending WP accept one seller who can't handle the facts about WP and is a member of Ray's inner circle. Even the one person who gave some valid points about there wagglepop experiences is involved in another forum (with high respect Gael).

Last chance Ray! Come out of your basement and confront the many who see you for what you are. A SCAM ARTIST!!!!!!

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network

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Truth excuse me you didn't actually announce the auction site Brian did that on wpssu. That's how I knew you were talking about the auction site. But clearly here in this post you did talk about Brian and wpssu and the upcoming announcement about wpssu that you would not reveal just yet. Also you have written other post on here pretaining to Brian but I don't have time to go looking for all of them.

let the truth be told · 02-09-2007, 04:22 AM,

Scoop,

Quote:Truth excuse me you didn't actually announce the auction site Brian did that on wpssu. That's how I knew you were talking about the auction site. But clearly here in this post you did talk about Brian and wpssu and the upcoming announcement about wpssu that you would not reveal just yet. Also you have written other post on here pretaining to Brian but I don't have time to go looking for all of them.

By the way thanks for clearing up a few things there. The other thing is I didn't realize the alexa graphs update when they are posted here. Thanks for clearing that up as well about the graphs!

Yes I alluded to it but I never not once announced it on TT. As I said that was for Brian to announce. By the way I think your reason to post on TT originally was to talk about Brian correct? Or were you here before under a different name?

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network

chiquita · 02-09-2007, 04:23 AM,

Quote:edited to add: the problem most of us had was we never saw WP missing the boat. I still think there was never a boat that WP was trying to get on.

Princess

That made my day, thank you for putting a smile on my face.

Scoop welcome back, I asked userid if she was you, or knew you, not out of disrespect but curiosity. After reading your post I can see where you feel that your posts as well as userids are valid to be in this thread. I can appreciate that. I can't comment on the issues at hand because I don't have all of the details, and my opinion on the matter is very honestly irrelevant to you and anyone else involved.
Tongue3

That said, what is really sad is the division amongst the sellers both current and former on WP that has occured. What made WP a community, a group, and a place for support were all the sellers, not Ray or the venue.

Ray wins when there is division in the ranks, I have seen many employers even intentionally create situations to divide their staff in order for chaos to ensue. The reason is when chaos occurs the "boss" gains more power. He can now assume the roll of peacemaker, and parent. Loyalties become divided. Just like Ray's apparent handling of the Brian situation. Ray isn't altruistic though, he does what he does only if he benefits.

Powerseller, congrats on your sales. A daycare sale now that it is a great gig. Smile

PowerSeller · (This post was last modified: 11-13-2007, 09:07 AM by PowerSeller.)

JUST SAY "NO" TO JUDGEMENTAL IGNORANCE.

let the truth be told · 02-09-2007, 04:28 AM,

[quote author=PowerSeller link=topic=3775.msg43111#msg43111 date=1170995072]
[quote author=let the truth be told link=topic=3775.msg43105#msg43105 date=1170993599]
PowerSeller,

Quote:I realize that I'm far behind the action here, and most people on this thread don't like me anyway. I prefer not to Pop in here if it can be avoided.

Would you like to take this time to admit your guilt in stealing/removing karma from just about everyone on this thread? Maybe you would like to rephrase the quote above? Maybe you would like to know how I know you are the original karma gremlin?

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network
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No. I will take this time to say that the first time you accused me was when I signed on to answer a PM from YOHB. If she wished to do so, she could check the times and confirm that. The next day, I signed on to answer someone's question privately rather than on the thread. She's new here. I don't want to say her name, but she can confirm this if she would like to. After you reported the 'gremlin sighting with no missing karma', I made my ID invisible. So if anyone claims that karma disappears when my ID shows up, that is untrue. You look like you're drinking from a big fat cuppa crazy with all of the karma gremlin paranoia, so I would guess that that's why people think it's funny to annoy you.
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And I suppose pigs fly as well!!!

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."
X-POP NATION, A real seller's network