Poll: Who is to blame for sellers leaving Wagglepop en masse?

jojo-p · 06-13-2007, 02:55 AM,

[quote author=Karma link=topic=3775.msg56847#msg56847 date=1181702798]
As I was reading through other great threads on TT I ran across a link that ALL LURKERS SHOULD READ:

Lurk

Downfall of WP I

http://www.ecommerce-guide.com/news/news...hp/3485161

I think I read it long ago but now I find it amazing to read, full of information.

It does look like for WP2 he tried to follow the advice of having (or at least pretending) to have customer service reps.

But watching what has happened to that site recently looks just like the story just with new customer care people. Customer service getting tired of questions, deleting posts, nice customer service rep replaced by "mean" guy, all the blame placed on infiltrators, ebay, naysayers (since day one). Whole forums removed. Reports removed.

Yes, go ask when they are going to post the sales report, if you dare.

Ask what happened to we the people if you dare.

When was it ok, regardless of questions asked, to speak rudely to a customer and harrass? That is like condoning abuse when the abuser states "they provoked me". Does that make it ok?

It is amazing what you really notice when you aren't going on blind faith and take a step back to view the whole picture. The similarities are amazing.

I think ALL the WP believers should read Wagglepop CEO Sticks Fork In Site: It's Done

There is a difference between positive attitude and blind faith.

Do you always blame others for everything that has gone wrong in your life?

After over 700 stores closing, you still think it is just the naysayers and infiltrators?
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Karma,
if you haven't already done so, the OTWA thread that tracks the rise and fall of WP1 is also very good. You will see within a few pages the real problem - Ray's personality - plus his inability to take ANY constructive criticism. It is long - not as long as this thread - but quite an eye opener. Let me know if you need a link.

myobeeswax · 06-13-2007, 03:13 AM,

[quote author=jojo-p link=topic=3775.msg56848#msg56848 date=1181703321]
[quote author=Karma link=topic=3775.msg56847#msg56847 date=1181702798]
As I was reading through other great threads on TT I ran across a link that ALL LURKERS SHOULD READ:

Lurk

Downfall of WP I

http://www.ecommerce-guide.com/news/news...hp/3485161

I think I read it long ago but now I find it amazing to read, full of information.

It does look like for WP2 he tried to follow the advice of having (or at least pretending) to have customer service reps.

But watching what has happened to that site recently looks just like the story just with new customer care people. Customer service getting tired of questions, deleting posts, nice customer service rep replaced by "mean" guy, all the blame placed on infiltrators, ebay, naysayers (since day one). Whole forums removed. Reports removed.

Yes, go ask when they are going to post the sales report, if you dare.

Ask what happened to we the people if you dare.

When was it ok, regardless of questions asked, to speak rudely to a customer and harrass? That is like condoning abuse when the abuser states "they provoked me". Does that make it ok?

It is amazing what you really notice when you aren't going on blind faith and take a step back to view the whole picture. The similarities are amazing.

I think ALL the WP believers should read Wagglepop CEO Sticks Fork In Site: It's Done

There is a difference between positive attitude and blind faith.

Do you always blame others for everything that has gone wrong in your life?

After over 700 stores closing, you still think it is just the naysayers and infiltrators?
[/quote]

Karma,
if you haven't already done so, the OTWA thread that tracks the rise and fall of WP1 is also very good. You will see within a few pages the real problem - Ray's personality - plus his inability to take ANY constructive criticism. It is long - not as long as this thread - but quite an eye opener. Let me know if you need a link.
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I would love a link....

jojo-p · 06-13-2007, 03:17 AM,

[quote author=myobeeswax link=topic=3775.msg56849#msg56849 date=1181704436]
[quote author=jojo-p link=topic=3775.msg56848#msg56848 date=1181703321]
[quote author=Karma link=topic=3775.msg56847#msg56847 date=1181702798]
As I was reading through other great threads on TT I ran across a link that ALL LURKERS SHOULD READ:

Lurk

Downfall of WP I

http://www.ecommerce-guide.com/news/news...hp/3485161

I think I read it long ago but now I find it amazing to read, full of information.

It does look like for WP2 he tried to follow the advice of having (or at least pretending) to have customer service reps.

But watching what has happened to that site recently looks just like the story just with new customer care people. Customer service getting tired of questions, deleting posts, nice customer service rep replaced by "mean" guy, all the blame placed on infiltrators, ebay, naysayers (since day one). Whole forums removed. Reports removed.

Yes, go ask when they are going to post the sales report, if you dare.

Ask what happened to we the people if you dare.

When was it ok, regardless of questions asked, to speak rudely to a customer and harrass? That is like condoning abuse when the abuser states "they provoked me". Does that make it ok?

It is amazing what you really notice when you aren't going on blind faith and take a step back to view the whole picture. The similarities are amazing.

I think ALL the WP believers should read Wagglepop CEO Sticks Fork In Site: It's Done

There is a difference between positive attitude and blind faith.

Do you always blame others for everything that has gone wrong in your life?

After over 700 stores closing, you still think it is just the naysayers and infiltrators?
[/quote]

Karma,
if you haven't already done so, the OTWA thread that tracks the rise and fall of WP1 is also very good. You will see within a few pages the real problem - Ray's personality - plus his inability to take ANY constructive criticism. It is long - not as long as this thread - but quite an eye opener. Let me know if you need a link.
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I would love a link....
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Might as well post for everyone...

http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=22635

When I searched it out on OTWA just a few minutes ago, there were 7 lurkers over there reading it. This, 2 years since the end of WP1.

chiquita · 06-13-2007, 03:23 AM,

Jojo when I posted that link months ago there were 14 lurkers. It really is a worthwhile read too. You see alot of the same things happening again. Ray blamed OTWA too just like he blames TT now

youroverheadbin · 06-13-2007, 03:40 AM,

Hey everyone!

I just graduated from Big Member Tongue3

to Fanatic. Is that telling me something? Icon_scratch

let the truth be told · 06-13-2007, 03:46 AM,

[quote author=sherrand link=topic=3775.msg56853#msg56853 date=1181706046]
Hey everyone!

I just graduated from Big MemberÂ Tongue3

Â to Fanatic. Is that telling me something?Â Â Icon_scratch

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I graduated the other day.Â Happy001

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."

P.S. What comes next and oh my that is going to take a while.

**amy** · 06-13-2007, 04:00 AM,

Quote:P.S. What comes next

Lawnmower Mouth :gingersmiley:

Quote:Membergroup Name Required Posts for Level
Tool Seeker 0
Little Member 50
Full Member 100
Big Member 250
Plum Devotee 500
Tulip Fanatic 1000
Lawnmower Mouth 2500
Rabble-Rouser 5000
Buzz Marketeer 10000

let the truth be told · 06-13-2007, 04:05 AM,

[quote author=amy link=topic=3775.msg56856#msg56856 date=1181707257]

Quote:P.S. What comes next

Lawnmower Mouth :gingersmiley:

Quote:Membergroup Name Required Posts for Level
Tool Seeker 0
Little Member 50
Full Member 100
Big Member 250
Plum Devotee 500
Tulip Fanatic 1000
Lawnmower Mouth 2500
Rabble-Rouser 5000
Buzz Marketeer 10000

[/quote]

Dang Icon_scratch

I have some work ahead of me. Happy001

Word association here I come Walk

let the truth be told
u1it4less - "it's all in the name.."

racedream · 06-13-2007, 04:10 AM,

Sherrand and Truth,
Congratulations on your graduations! Occasion18

myobeeswax · 06-13-2007, 04:58 AM,

Well jojo-p I have to say thank you! I am having so much fun reading the OTWA thread about WP. I can't stop! I found this juicy tidbit. Sorry for the length I just could not stop!

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Self Destruct COUNTDOWN begins now.

Technical Forum:
http://wagglepopcommunity.invisionzo...opic=659&st=20
Posted by xxxx:

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Ray - maybe you should find another line of work if you can't handle the mean ol computers and the mean ol people that use them.

Keep banning everyone that isn't happy with your website and you'll have no one left.

Posted bt Ray:
Quote:
hell-

Since I own the business, I'll do any damned thing I please.

If you can't handle that, then hit the bricks.

Ray

Posted by xxxxx:
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Ray,

Please close my account immediately. I don't want to be associated with WP.

BTW, you are the biggest violator of the board rules. You cannot apply rules to others and ignore them yourself, owner or not.

Thank you and good luck.

Posted by Ray:
Quote:
I'll boil the rules down:

Act like an adult, and you're welcome here forever.

Act like an idiot, and I'll ban your butt in 5 seconds flat.

Simple.

Ray

Posted by Ray:
Quote:
Livs-

You got it, and please do not darken our doorway again.

Ray

Before it gets edited and deleted

Boy, ray is such an AH.

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I get The connection timed out
I get Document contains no data
I get Installation error - unspecified error

What the heck is going on ? ? ? ?

I thought WP was supposed to be on huge servers that could be its own country
state of the art
ray's been planning for 3 years

What crap. It's getting very frustrating to to browse.

If this is still just "testing", why are people getting charged fees?

If it is not "testing", why didn't you get the site working before you opened it up?

Just very aggravating trying to browse.

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Today, 03:08 AM Post #2

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Wow.

I don't think I heard this much negativity about the Titanic--and that was after it sank. Is anyone else aware that this site is just DAYS old? And that to list here is FREE? Did anyone expect it would be perfect from day one?

Let's get realistic, people. And let's can the attitude, shall we?

I'm happy to be a part of this site, and I'm willing to wait while the bugs are worked out. Remember, this isn't a huge, money-eating coporate effort. This is grass-roots. This is personal, fair, and honest. And at the end of the day, NO ONE has to pay ONE PENNY to list anything if they don't want to. Can you say the same about the other sites, Mr. Blowedaway?

If you don't have the patience to withstand the growing pains, by all means, go. And, the only "crap" here is the venom spewed by someone like you when everything hasn't worked out exactly the way you wanted it to, when you wanted it to--which is apparently this instant.

Unbelievable.

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wagglepop1 Today, 03:09 AM Post #3

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Group: Admin
Posts: 6
Joined: 8-February 05
Member No.: 3

blowed-

We are in a position of tuning and adjustment, and like the thousands of other users we have, we'd love for you to be on board with us....and patient through the rough times.

Additionally, I think you need to read the Board Rules & Code of Conduct, as your post is in violation.

Regretably, action will have to be taken if any further violations occur.

Thanks for your understanding and cooperation, in advance.

Ray

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xxxxx Today, 03:15 AM Post #4

Unregistered

I have read the board rules. Exactly what is in violation? I really don't see anything in the post that is in violation, except that I am listing all the errors I received in 20 minutes of TRYING to browse. Complaining is in violation?

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If you don't have the patience to withstand the growing pains, by all means, go. And, the only "crap" here is the venom spewed by someone like you when everything hasn't worked out exactly the way you wanted it to, when you wanted it to--which is apparently this instant.

I'd say the above post, which is a personal attack, is more in the nature of a violation of the rules of conduct than what I just posted.

Or is it that "negative" comments are in violation? And only pro-WP post are allowed?

Well, WaggleOpAdmin, If that's how you respond to your buyers and browsers, good luck.

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xxxx Today, 03:37 AM Post #5

Unregistered
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Installation Error!
SHUTDOWN is in progress. Log off.SHUTDOWN is in progress. Log off.

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: from the rules of conduct, in case you did not read the Rules:

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but personal attacks are strictly forbidden, including offensive or abusive language. Posts should speak to the nature of problems and solutions, and disagreements should always be handled in a positive, friendly, and collaborative way.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

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wagglepop1 Today, 04:00 AM Post #7

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Group: Admin
Posts: 6
Joined: 8-February 05
Member No.: 3

User 'blowed away' terminated from board membership due to violation of Board Rules & Code of Conduct, and failure to comply with direct request from Wagglepop.

Unfortunate, but necessary.

Ray

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Today, 04:23 AM Post #8
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QUOTE(wagglepop1 * Feb 19 2005, 07:00 PM)
User 'blowed away' terminated from board membership due to violation of Board Rules & Code of Conduct, and failure to comply with direct request from Wagglepop.

Unfortunate, but necessary.

Ray

You're your own worst enemy. Word of mouth works both ways. Please terminate my membership as well.

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linjon1 Today, 05:24 AM Post #9

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same 'ol , same 'ol.

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Sounds very much like the new customer service rep on WP2

Sorry if this has been posted before I just had to share!

Lurkers take a look! :turkey2: