Poll: Who is to blame for sellers leaving Wagglepop en masse? You do not have permission to vote in this poll. |
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Paid Feebay Employees With An Agenda | 1 | 1.64% | |
Infiltrators | 0 | 0% | |
Trolls | 0 | 0% | |
Naysayers | 1 | 1.64% | |
Morally Bankrupt Miscreants | 3 | 4.92% | |
Upstream Providers | 0 | 0% | |
Jealous Types | 1 | 1.64% | |
Deadbeats | 1 | 1.64% | |
Ray Romeo | 40 | 65.57% | |
Ray Romeo\'s Alter Ego KaRay | 10 | 16.39% | |
Wagglepop CEO Ray Romeo Listing Items On eBay In His eBay Store Instead Of Listing On His Own Site | 4 | 6.56% | |
Total | 61 vote(s) | 100% |
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Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
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01-25-2008, 02:26 PM,
Post: #16901
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
I have nothing to add other than to say...
BACK UP YOUR LISTINGS!!!!
Let the Truth be Told |
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01-25-2008, 02:42 PM,
Post: #16902
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
Quote:I would offer that it is not Wagglepop staff or and ownership or and management to blame for any shortfall in our goals together, rather, I would look to prefer not to put blame where it really lied but blame the over 3,000 people deadbeads who never bothered to pay, or the in excess of 600 naysayers, trolls, and infiltrators who left got fed up with our piss-poor performance, cultist mentality, gestapo tactics and paying for nothing and blew our Koolaid stand in less than 90 days expecting a business miracle to get something back after putting in tons of effort into building their stores and paying store fees. I am proud of my staff and support vendors hamster and "third party" associates who pay me for feeding them email lists of members and honored to work under such people-oriented ego-driven ownership. Quote:As noted above, we can continue to operate without raising fees, but the site is without question going to suffer noticeably in terms of performance and service. Translation: If you think the site sucks in performance and service now, just wait and see what's going to happen because you don't want us to charge you more for getting nothing back. Quote:I'm not sure we have related fully or completely enough exactly how expensive it is to run Wagglepop Translation: It's rather hard for us to explain why we have to charge monthly fees plus upgrade fees and FVF's (let alone raise them), when so many other venues similar to ours charge nothing and offer more. Quote:As a follow up, total losses since the creation and inception of Wagglepop now exceed $150,000 total, with about $45,000 of that as outright debt. Translation: Unlike any other "real" business in the corporate world where it is expected not to be profitable in the first 3 years of operation and therefore have in place a sound business plan which has been presented to financial institutions and private investors willing to provide us with the capital resources necessary to carry us through to profitability (because they know they'll see a return on investment), we expected to be rolling in dough and laughing all the way to the bank with your money from the get-go, because sellers are emotional and they'll throw their money away. Shuck-a-reenies, that just didn't happen. And considering the background of our leader, who the hell would fund us anyway? Quote:Additionally many thousands of hours of labor have been "donated" and exist today as unpaid - and likely never to be paid. Translation: We're driven by OUR OWN pockebooks. Of course, we couldn't give a rat's ass about the hundreds (maybe thousands) of sellers (ingrates) who "donated" countless hours of THEIR time building and promoting their stores and WP, and paying US for the "privilege" to do so, only to be thrown in the trash by an ego-maniac who couldn't take having them ask simple business questions. Quote:The reality is though a noble effort, instead of succeeding in that venture we have instead built a very effective specialty site - and now we muct adapt to that and support that appropriately. . . It is my responsibility now to begin to restructure the bigger Wagglepop entity that is seemingly unwanted and clearly unsupported by the bigger outside "online selling community" as it is. Translation: To our dismay, nearly every seller who became a member saw through our scam, blew our Koolaid stand and (unfortunately for us) lived to tell about it. We did our best to put the fear of dead in them by threatending them with excommunication, a "re-entry fee", suspension, legal action, silencing them on our boards, sending disciples throughout the net to spam, and everything else we could think of, but it didn't work and we're broke. Now we're just going to pretend it never existed, let the site die, and never take responsibility for our failures. Quote:Our biggest mistake was simply not realizing the depths to which a great bulk of the online selling community had fallen that career sellers won't put up with our BS and feeding our egos every month - due either to eBay (which is expensive, but at least gets traffic) or previous experience (of being able to make sales anywhere else but at WP) or something else entirely, (like having half a brain). Quote:We listened to the near 7,000 or so people who were on our legacy email list that they were committed to selling on Wagglepop, only to find out 2 or 3 years later that that "commitment" was a castle built of sand Translation: We spammed thousands of folks on the email list we weren't supposed to have since we supposedly "destroyed" our data base. They said they wanted an eBay alternative, but when they questioned what we were intending to do to achieve that objective, their heads were cut off for lacking "commitment." Just more from the WTF forum. |
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01-26-2008, 12:19 AM,
Post: #16903
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
PAY to join -
Pass me some of what this fool is smoking!
I hate stupid people!
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01-26-2008, 04:14 AM,
Post: #16904
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
Quote:We listened to the near 7,000 or so people who were on our legacy email list that they were committed to selling on Wagglepop, only to find out 2 or 3 years later that that "commitment" was a castle built of sand Hmmm, let's see, possible reasons why very few (almost none) of the WP1 7,000 signed up with WP2: 1. you lied when you said you deleted all personal data in February 2005 (you wouldn't have a "legacy mailing list" if you had deleted all data) 2. you spammed the WP1 7,000 one year after promising them you had deleted their personal information drumroll... 3. You closed WP1 after only a few days of operation with virtually no warning and left thousands of sellers stranded. Quote:While I am not one to generally worry about "blame", I would offer that it is not Wagglepop staff or ownership or management to blame for any shortfall in our goals together, You're 100% to blame because your obsession with recreating eBay 2003 completely blinded you to what is happening off eBay: the vast majority of buyers and sellers don't want another eBay auction. Buyers and sellers have shifted their focus to fixed price, websites etc and WP2 delivered very little of what the average buyer/seller wants (p.s. the average online buyer/seller never goes near an OAI forum/eBay's boards and so using the posters on those forums as a gauge of the ecommerce world was a huge mistake) Quote:WP ownership made for a very long time to give the online selling community a real choice and opportunity to build a truly large and worthy competitor to eBay - it is a considerably bigger commitment of time and effort and money than anyone else has ever or will likely ever offer. That is total BS. You allegedly spent $150K. Yahoo/Amazon/Overstock all pumped over $10 million each into their auction sites over the years. BidBay and Bidville also spent over $10 million each (granted, in the case of these 2 sites 90% of the money spent was "consulting fees" paid to management and friends). Quote:raise Final Value Fees to eBay levels. Will you be raising the number of buyers to eBay levels too? : Did you forget that fees were the primary reason sellers moved from eBay to WP? Quote:B. Require new applicants to pay a Marketplace Fee of $50.00 for entry. Ubid used to charge a $99 application fee (the fee was dropped a couple of years ago) but they have 4 million plus buyers...how many buyers does WP have? Why would anyone pay $50 to sell on a site with far fewer buyers than other "eBay alternatives" like iOffer, Ecrater, Blujay, Craigslist, Etsy, Amazon, etc?
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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01-26-2008, 07:27 AM,
Post: #16905
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
"WP ownership made for a very long time to give the online selling community a real choice and opportunity to build a truly large and worthy competitor to eBay - it is a considerably bigger commitment of time and effort and money than anyone else has ever or will likely ever offer."
Umm... I have to agree with everyone else. Lots of businesses have put more than $150K into an auction site, and a whole lot more than 20 months. The hard part to swallow though is the many, many sites that have offered the same commitment of time and effort without having to commit anywhere near that amount of money. Even worse is that these sites get as much as 5x the traffic, and in a few cases even more. That's just bad business, IF Ray really invested $150,000 into a $500 script, $1500 in mods, and $300/month for a server. "Our biggest mistake was simply not realizing the depths to which a great bulk of the online selling community had fallen - due either to eBay or previous experience or something else entirely." "...or the in excess of 600 who left in less than 90 days expecting a business miracle." Are you speaking of Ray? A seller who dumped his business after 2 months on eBay? Come on Ray, a total e-commerce moron can do better than that on eBay! "We listened to the near 7,000 or so people who were on our legacy email list that they were committed to selling on Wagglepop, only to find out 2 or 3 years later that that "commitment" was a castle built of sand - a mirage that did nothing more than hurt the very people we wished to support and help." Once again, I have to agree with everyone else here. 7,000 people were lied to and left stranded. They are to blame for Wagglepop's failure? They promised in late 2004 to get behind Wagglepop and support it, but they were supposed to give a rat's patoot about it after the first closing and re-opening spam? Honestly, how can anyone with half a brain really believe this? "It's not me, it's everyone else who has the problem!" That is textbook Psychosis. "A mental state characterized by a loss of contact with reality and an inability to think rationally. A psychotic person often behaves inappropriately and is incapable of normal social functioning." So, 7,000 are wrong, but the 80 are right? Don't they get it yet? They are following a completely irrational leader who has no contact with reality, and obviously (from WP1's final closing email) cannot function socially. He blames anyone and everyone but himself, and the only reason he isn't blaming the sellers that are still there is because they may just see that he is crazy.
"Listen up Mother****er. Try that bulls*** here and I will hand you and your head in a basket"
- Ray Romeo's alter ego Andrew Pittino responding when I signed up a new account on Wagglepop to verify the non-existence of a way to opt out of his sharing my information with third parties. |
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01-26-2008, 03:53 PM,
Post: #16906
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01-26-2008, 08:07 PM,
Post: #16907
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
[quote author=regic link=topic=3775.msg67726#msg67726 date=1201362817]
Quote:Why would anyone pay $50 to sell on a site with far fewer buyers than other "eBay alternatives" like iOffer, Ecrater, Blujay, Craigslist, Etsy, Amazon, etc? Exhibit 1 Exhibit 2 Exhibit 3 [/quote] Links don't work for me. But what really makes zero sense is why ANYONE would pay to JOIN WP period - even if it were 10 cents. I would have to admit, however, that paying $50 to "join" a site that is owned by a messianic, egocentric loser, attracts zilch traffic -- and then continue to pay from $10-$50/mo thereafter plus upgrade fees and FVFs (e.g. on the off-chance a seller get a pity purchase from another seller after crying on the boards) is certainly REVOLUTIONARY -- masochistic maybe, but none-the-less revolutionary. :cinqo1: :cinqo1: |
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01-26-2008, 10:15 PM,
Post: #16908
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
Quote:Links don't work for me. The links were a comparison of December visitors: ebay.com 79,476,935 amazon.com 61,844,788 etsy.com 1,278,278 tias.com 537,142 ioffer.com 521,571 ecrater.com 393,610 wagglepop.com 50,220 |
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01-26-2008, 10:36 PM,
Post: #16909
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
I wonder how many of those "visitors" were shoppers and how many were just curious or have socks to get in.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I hate stupid people!
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01-26-2008, 11:03 PM,
Post: #16910
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Re: Wagglepop 2: Deja Vu as Auction Site That Left Sellers Stranded Reopens
Quote:we have instead built a very effective specialty site Wrong boinktardbeak! Saying WP is a specialty site doesn't make it one. You have built an ineffective run-of-the-mill general merchandise eBay wannabe clone. Nothing more, nothing less. Etsy, RubyLane, TIAS, GunBroker , NaughtyBids :blinkie: , et al are specialty sites. WP isn't one.
OAI Moron Hall of Fame
<i>sell-thru is an irrelevant and illogical consideration.</i> -KaRay, owner of WP giving selling advice, 2006 <i>the site was 'NOT' hacked but the little script that had recipes on had the link altered</i> -Plunderhere Owner Mark Taylor after his site was hacked by a Chinese hacker gang, 2008 Some people have it like that, others dont. I do. -Probidscripts owner Spencer Osama Binweb Laden Ray bragging about his ability to scam the OAI without feeling any guilt, 2008. How does an auction site get buyers? -question asked at PSU by owner of auction site BidBeaver.ca, 2008 How do I get sales? -question asked at PSU by online store owner, 2009. I was told by my Tech. Support that my site dont really need SSL.. his servers are well protected and that info your providing to join aint really top secret information -owner of auction site TheTraderOutlet.com discussig his site's lack of basic security, 2009 |
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