PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
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04-10-2008, 06:14 PM,
Post: #61
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Quote:WHO in the hell wants ebay any more? Who in the hell wants to gross $17.95 monthly and be forced to live in a van down by the river because the alternative site they were convinced to join has very few buyers? Quote:Nothing it seems is going to please you guys... unless it looks or acts or squawks like ebay... Amazon, Ubid, and my website please me because they have plenty of B-U-Y-E-R-S Ebay makes me puke but kind of pleases me because it has plenty of B-U-Y-E-R-S I have 5 employees who expect a paycheck every week. I have suppliers who expect to be paid. I have a landlord who expects to be paid for the warehouse and office space I rent. I have politcians and garbagemen who expect their payoffs. Wasting my time on a site where sellers average $17.95 monthly isn't going to help me meet my payroll or pay expenses. Capiche?
OAI Moron Hall of Fame
<i>sell-thru is an irrelevant and illogical consideration.</i> -KaRay, owner of WP giving selling advice, 2006 <i>the site was 'NOT' hacked but the little script that had recipes on had the link altered</i> -Plunderhere Owner Mark Taylor after his site was hacked by a Chinese hacker gang, 2008 Some people have it like that, others dont. I do. -Probidscripts owner Spencer Osama Binweb Laden Ray bragging about his ability to scam the OAI without feeling any guilt, 2008. How does an auction site get buyers? -question asked at PSU by owner of auction site BidBeaver.ca, 2008 How do I get sales? -question asked at PSU by online store owner, 2009. I was told by my Tech. Support that my site dont really need SSL.. his servers are well protected and that info your providing to join aint really top secret information -owner of auction site TheTraderOutlet.com discussig his site's lack of basic security, 2009 |
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04-10-2008, 07:40 PM,
Post: #62
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Xpopper, I have not have anything to do with Bidz or the UK site... I've been there 2x I think. I may have even signed up... I can't remember. PH by itself has kept me extremely busy. And frankly.. I don't think I can admin 2 sites.
Lynette aka Mojavelyn
owner/admin PlunderHere |
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04-10-2008, 07:47 PM,
Post: #63
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Gee Magenta, I don't recall sending you an invitation to join plunderhere.
Let me have your IP addy adn I'll make sure you don't have to come there again.
Lynette aka Mojavelyn
owner/admin PlunderHere |
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04-10-2008, 08:05 PM,
Post: #64
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Quote:its two different animals. The two animals being the needs of the full time seller (defined here as anyone whose income is 100% from online sales) and the needs of the part time or hobby seller. While small auction sites might be a viable alternative for part time sellers, it would be suicidal for most full time sellers to devote substantial resources (defined here as time) to them when there are other channels that provide immediate results and more sales. Most of us who rely solely on online sales don't have the option/luxury of waiting for a site to grow (i.e. of being "in it for the long haul" like the Popper faithful)...we need results today to pay the bills. 99% of small auction sites can't fulfill the needs (i.e. sales today not "sometime in the future", integration with order management tools, fulfillment solution providers, payment processors etc, etc) of full time sellers. If I want to stay in business I need to devote my resources to the best performing channels and unfortunately the "small ebay alternative" channel has never been one of the best performers for full time sellers.
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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04-11-2008, 11:01 PM,
Post: #65
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
[quote author=Mojavelyn link=topic=9139.msg69000#msg69000 date=1207856828]
Gee Magenta, I don't recall sending you an invitation to join plunderhere. Let me have your IP addy adn I'll make sure you don't have to come there again. [/quote] You're in good company. Ray Wagglepop also can't take criticism and bans the IPs of anybody who dares to speak the truth about the low volume of sales on his site What's it like to be Ray's twin?
OAI Moron Hall of Fame
<i>sell-thru is an irrelevant and illogical consideration.</i> -KaRay, owner of WP giving selling advice, 2006 <i>the site was 'NOT' hacked but the little script that had recipes on had the link altered</i> -Plunderhere Owner Mark Taylor after his site was hacked by a Chinese hacker gang, 2008 Some people have it like that, others dont. I do. -Probidscripts owner Spencer Osama Binweb Laden Ray bragging about his ability to scam the OAI without feeling any guilt, 2008. How does an auction site get buyers? -question asked at PSU by owner of auction site BidBeaver.ca, 2008 How do I get sales? -question asked at PSU by online store owner, 2009. I was told by my Tech. Support that my site dont really need SSL.. his servers are well protected and that info your providing to join aint really top secret information -owner of auction site TheTraderOutlet.com discussig his site's lack of basic security, 2009 |
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04-12-2008, 06:07 PM,
Post: #66
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Quote:gross $17.95 monthly! Is that a typo? :blinkie: I'm so glad I bypassed the whole auction/Ebay thing when I started my business. ;D |
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04-13-2008, 12:43 AM,
Post: #67
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
[quote author=valleygirl link=topic=9139.msg69044#msg69044 date=1208023677]
Quote:gross $17.95 monthly! Is that a typo? :blinkie: [/quote] Not a typo. That number,as low as it is, is actually much better than many other auction sites that are promoted on OAI forums where the average seller is grossing less than $10 monthly. In the past 10 years I've yet to see any auction site that self-promotes itself on OAI forums that can provide sellers with any meaningful income.
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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04-14-2008, 05:56 PM,
Post: #68
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
I still haven't seen a reply from Superdeals on any forum regarding why the old Bidz users were transferred onto PH-EU. The question has been brought there from here on another forum, and never responded to. Considering PH is comprised of many, many ex-poppers and ex-Ewaey members, I am sure they would have a vested interest in knowing that the new PH owners used the same practice of transferring unsuspecting members private information from one site to another.
Mo, as much as I respect your statement about not being in the EU loop, was this ever even mentioned in all the months of negotiations, that a name you owned and are forever associated with would be linked to such a blatant privacy infringement? If the members didn't sign up on Plunderhere.eu, then they have no business being on there without their explicit written consent. There goes the reputation of the entire PlunderHere name that you have worked so hard to build in one extremely poor business decision by the new owners, less than a week after the announcement.
"Listen up Mother****er. Try that bulls*** here and I will hand you and your head in a basket"
- Ray Romeo's alter ego Andrew Pittino responding when I signed up a new account on Wagglepop to verify the non-existence of a way to opt out of his sharing my information with third parties. |
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04-14-2008, 06:29 PM,
Post: #69
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Quote:the same practice of transferring unsuspecting members private information from one site to another. When our TulipStuff site joined TRUSTe we were required to include a clause in the information sharing section of our privacy policy on possible ownership changes (see below...the text was written by TRUSTe) Quote:In the event Tulips and Bears LLC goes through a business transition, such as a merger, acquisition by another company, or sale of all or a portion of its assets, your personally identifiable information will likely be among the assets transferred. You will be notified via email and/or a prominent notice on our Web site of any such change in ownership or control of your personal information, as well as any choices you may have regarding your personal information.http://www.buysafe.com/Web/Seal/TrustePr...HcXw%3d%3d Both the Bidz.org.uk and PlunderHere.com (as well as the plunderhere.eu site) privacy policies should have contained a clause on ownership changes, and notices should have been emailed or prominently displayed on all 3 sites allowing members to opt out of having their information transferred. If the privacy policies didn't include a clause on ownership transfers then the users info shouldn't have been transferred to the new owners (and this statement goes double for the UK/EU based Bidz).
"Well, Jay was so giddy that someone named Jay was involved with this site we posted our first non-eBay listing in 3 years here at Lunarbid (we tried two items at Yahoo once upon a time, they bombed)" -Marie posting in a LunarBid thread at OTWA in 2005 wins the award for 'most moronic reason ever given for choosing a venue"
"thanks twat u must have nothing better 2 do. do u talk to all your members like that. will not be recomending your site. best way to put it is TULIPTOOLS.COM IS REALLY SHIT. DONT JOIN." -pubescent owner of rinky dink off2auction.com in 2011 |
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04-14-2008, 07:22 PM,
Post: #70
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RE: PlunderHere and AlsoShop: A Web of Privacy Violations, Backstabbing, and Deceit
Unfortunately, Bidz UK didn't have any of that in the privacy policy. Also, in fact, neither does plunderhere.eu, or plunderhere.com. But, Plunderhere does have a clause that they can change it at any time without warning if they make a reasonable attempt to notify users. Even better, when reading the PH-EU privacy policy, you'll notice this statement:
"We log IP's on this site to help us identify problems with our server and to keep our members safe from problems users. No other information is gathered from your visit and your activity at AuctionQuests is not logged or tracked." AuctionQuests? Hmm... Plagiarism, or just plain forgetfulness by the programmer/writer?
"Listen up Mother****er. Try that bulls*** here and I will hand you and your head in a basket"
- Ray Romeo's alter ego Andrew Pittino responding when I signed up a new account on Wagglepop to verify the non-existence of a way to opt out of his sharing my information with third parties. |
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